Is This Even English?

[Circle_Master]

You like to paste links to documents sometimes. Here is one to consider

http://www.ntrmin.org/images/questions/Cathagain.htm

and thanks for agreeing bruce. I guess outside of the Catholic Church we don't find contradiction everywhere!

Edited December 31, 2003 by Circle_Master

[Bruce S]

THats why he left someone in charge.

Yeah, at least this one is older than 15, so there is distinct improvement in the "Vicar Vocational Voting"

Good to see that now we have adults running the world instead of people with acne problems.

[watch out here, you opened yourself up for that one....grin]

[littleflower+JMJ]

2,000 years and counting....

Mt 16:18. Jesus keeps his promises. ^_^

God bless.

and pax christi.

+JMJ

[Circle_Master]

2008 years and counting *whistle*. Who's the "younger" church now? (i'm joking) and yep, no grave is going to keep me from Christ either! or grave is going to keep Christ down.

here is the link again if you want to read it

http://www.ntrmin.org/images/questions/Cathagain.htm

I've heard that response a few times of the 4 marks of the Church, and found this to be ok in explaining a bit about it.

Edited December 31, 2003 by Circle_Master

[cmotherofpirl]

Here are the four marks of the Church from an actual Catholic site:

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ60.HTM

Edited December 31, 2003 by cmotherofpirl

[littleflower+JMJ]

Here are the four marks of the Church from an actual Catholic site:

http://ic.net/~erasmus/RAZ60.HTM

thanks cmom.

your the best ^_^

paxchristi

+JMJ

[Circle_Master]

thanks, I'll look at both later if I have time. I'm already going to fail this class by being too much on this board as it is!

here's my intro (i know it's short, but he wanted it as short as possible)

The Roman Empire during the first century A.D. brought much hardship and persecution to Christians.  Starting with the freedom given to Jews, they did not have a very good reputation.  The Jews in Jerusalem were given many graces such as having the power of capital punishment over a Gentile wandering in the Temple.  The Sabbath Law, food-laws, and prohibition of graven images were also allowed, and in acknowledgment, no Roman standards with images upon them were allowed in Jerusalem.  The leader of the Christians, Jesus Christ, had a bad reputation as well as a leader of a rebellion.  Tacitus records that “they got their name from Christ, who was executed under procurator Pontius Pilate when Tiberius was emperor (Annals, 15:44)”.  The reason for the execution being he was “… Jesus, the King of the Jews (Matthew 27: 37).” False propaganda against Christians by Jewish opponents also said “they are all acting against the decrees of Caesar, saying that there is another king, Jesus. (Acts 17:7)”  The Roman Empire had a strict judicial system, and any form of rebellion was hated and Christians were first associated with this.

The Jew’s living in Rome during this time suffered from this image, and also had much rebellion invested within them.  Emperor Claudius in the early years is recorded to have expelled Jews from Rome for some time causing them to lose their homes, and property (Seutonius, Caludius, 25:4).  A resistance to taxes in the mid 50’s which culminated into a full revolt in 58 A.D. also shows the internal strife.  Romans 13:6-7 speaks directly on the tax issue, perhaps emphasizing that as a Christian, we should pay to show our loyalty.

The structure of Romans for passage is fit among many passages showing what our relationships should be.  Romans 12:1-2: to God; Romans 12:3-8: to ourselves; Romans 12:9-16: to one another; Romans 12:17-21: to our enemies, and now Romans 13:1-7: to the state.  Romans 13:1-5 is also broken down into four sections giving a command, giving reasons twice, and then concluding by reiteration.  The passage’s main command is to submit to authority above us, not because it is only there, but because it is by God.

of course it is all completely personal interpretation that I start with :)

Edited December 31, 2003 by Circle_Master

[Bruce S]

Our version.

Read the Bible, question everything, trust God to clearly say what He means.

The ONE true church is the one that Jesus established, and that wasn't a denomination.

Or we all need to become Messianic Jews, for they have the real claim to being first, everything grew out of that movement, everything.

It was "The Way" long before it became Christianity, and later the plethora of squabbling humans seeking to impose their version on the rest of the humans.

I'm voting for "The Way" again, and getting back to basics.

[littleflower+JMJ]

:D

[cmotherofpirl]

You are absolutely right. It is absolutely basic.

The Church is not a demonination, we are the one and only One Faith, one Baptism, one Lord of all.

I read the Bible daily.

[Circle_Master]

If we are one faith, one Lord, one baptism, why is it calling right after that passage for unity. There was only one church at that time! Maybe because there is one faith, one Lord, and one baptism, but it doesn't mean one physical instuted church. There must be another understanding of the passage.

I like that bruce, going back to 'the way'.

Just like when Paul commended the Berean's on them testing what He said in the Scriptures (even though they weren't appointed by an apostle and had no idea how to interpret Scripture!) and also Apollos who was used because he was "mighty in Scripture" who also had no idea how to interpret the bible!

Edited January 1, 2004 by Circle_Master

[willguy]

Okay, I'm 17, public schooled my whole life, and the stuff you've posted makes perfect sense to me.

bet you Catholics don't even know what is in that book. No human alive could wade through this and come out with a clear understanding on what the Catholic Church wants people to believe.

Just an FYI, tems like "you Catholics" or "what the Catholic Church wants people to believe" tend to piss Catholics, like me, off. Meaning, if you aren't here trolling, you may want to not use them because they get easily misinterpretted.

Guess what? We don't even have ANY cannon law, in fact, my denomination ONLY requires you believe in 16 key points.

And you can learn them all in about 10 minutes, and Catholics would agree to most of them instantly.

How do you maintain order without a law? How do you manage to take the entire Bible and make just 16 key points? Can you read the Bible in 10 minutes? No. Then you can't uderstand what it means to be Christian in 10 minutes. Also, Catholics would agree with the 16 key points, why don't you become Catholic?

Mad props to jmjtina and dust for their posts.

[the_rev]

Hence the reason I'm Catholic. If I honestly thought that the teachings of Christ could be condensed into 16 points, and taught in 10 minutes, I too would be part of whatever denomination would best suite my lifestyle.

As a faithful Catholic, my journey to know Christ better will continue until the day I die.

I read through this whole topic, and I found two posts, that I really red, and thought about, for a few minutes, Litlle Flower, Great stuff, and I quoted Dust, because I truly believe what he said. I just don't want to learn about my faith in 10 minutes, we believe this, and we believe that. I want to be able to study for years and years and years, on end, learning more about God, and the church he has set forth. Learning about your beliefs in 10 minutes would be unrealalistic. How can you understand your beliefs, and what you believe in that little time. So, for years and years, I plan to study my faith, as I strive to become a priest, and proclaim what God has taught me, and continue to learn from Jesus the teacher.

This was probably senslessbabble but that's ok! I wanted to repost what DuST said because that was my thoughts when I first opened this thread on my screen!!!

[Paladin D]

I read through this whole topic, and I found two posts, that I really red, and thought about, for a few minutes, Litlle Flower, Great stuff, and I quoted Dust, because I truly believe what he said. I just don't want to learn about my faith in 10 minutes, we believe this, and we believe that. I want to be able to study for years and years and years, on end, learning more about God, and the church he has set forth. Learning about your beliefs in 10 minutes would be unrealalistic. How can you understand your beliefs, and what you believe in that little time. So, for years and years, I plan to study my faith, as I strive to become a priest, and proclaim what God has taught me, and continue to learn from Jesus the teacher.

This was probably senslessbabble but that's ok! I wanted to repost what DuST said because that was my thoughts when I first opened this thread on my screen!!!

Same here man, same here. If we learned our faith in 10 minutes, wouldn't our faith be boring?

[willguy]

I agree with Pal --^

There was only one church at that time!

Yes, and there continued to be only one church (not ocunting the herecies) until the Great Schism around 1054 (I'm working from memory, but I think that's the date). Then there were two, but they had almost identical beliefs just under different heads. Then you have Luther and the Reformers (I hate using that word, it makes the event sound so positive) in th 1500's come along and now there are I don't even know how many. Just the other day I heard of a Protestant Church in which the members take communion once, the day that they "enter the church". There is an infinite amount of confusion in Protestantism.