banning card games

[God Conquers]

[quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' post='981392' date='May 15 2006, 07:57 AM']
I think of this as the speed limit. I have such a hard time going 5 over anywhere I go and I need to stop. Even though it may seem harmless, but the law is set and we need to obey it.

A priest told me it was a mortal sin going 20 over
It was a venial for going about 5-15 over I don't know...But it was one of the two.

Who would ever know?
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I know a priest who believes it's amortal sin NOT to go 20 over.

[Josie07]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' post='978115' date='May 11 2006, 06:46 AM']
If going to Mass was made illegal would it be a sin to go? Of course not.

Does legalized abortion make the act unsinful? Of course not.

These are two extreme examples to justify my 'no' vote.
[/quote]
I think that is put really well . Just because something is legal doesn't make it right, and vise verser.
At one time wasn't it illegal to pray?? ( i know i heard that somewhere)

[dairygirl4u2c]

[quote]If Dairygirl's polls were made illegal, would anybody care?[/quote]

Says the man who makes simple statements next to ad hominem everytime I make a good point. Such as this. I'm making a good point in this thread, and I doubt he even knows it. I'm sure he'd say that breaking that law would not be sinful to play cards, but then he'd leave without saying why. Maybe since I called him out, he'd change here who knows. I'm just basing these statements on his actions in the past. From the responses in this thread, it's obvious people here need to think; I'm doing you guys a favor. Props to Jeff's response as always though.

Edited May 16, 2006 by dairygirl4u2c

[frozencell]

I think that an unjust law is really only one that stands in direct contradiction of God's law. In the case of the bathing and what-not, these things are just common sense and hygiene, etc. But cards? If it were made illegal then it would be a sin to play them because of respect for God in obeying his decrees to human government.

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

Let me shift it this way.

If it were illegal to play card games... could there ever be a morally justifiable reason to break the law in order to play a card game.

Of course this seems so ridiculous discussing it, but that is why i said the sin is in breaking the law, not in playing the game itself.

SHALOM

[AngelofJesus]

Let's say it's not a card game. Let's say we were back in time during prohibition. Could you still qoute the bible and say that you can drink wine because Jesus drank wine as well? If Jesus did not find it morally wrong to drink wine then would it still be a sin to drink wine when there is a law against it?

[CatholicCid]

nvm...

Edited May 16, 2006 by CatholicCid

[Augustine]

I believe it is an important question, as it deals with the day-to-day practical moral decisions with haft to deal with as Christians. Well, not illegal card playing, but any law that we find to be excessive or unnecessary. Copyright laws, for example, are laws which are being popularly questioned today, if not by word, at least by action. Here are some of the thoughts I got while pondering this question.

Would it be a [i]sin[/i]? That I am not sure of. We do know, however, that St. Paul tells us in 1 Corinthians 8:13 that “Therefore, if food is a cause of my brother's falling, [i]I will never eat meat[/i], lest I cause my brother to fall” [Emphasis added; RSV version]. Clearly, it is not wrong to eat meat (except on days of abstinence, of course), but Paul stated would go as far as giving it up if it might cause his brother to fall. The same I think, should go for playing cards, or just about anything we do. If we know in our hearts that by our example of playing cards, legal or not, we might lead our brothers into sin, such as immoderate gambling, then we should give up cards. If illegal, then we risk that much more. Would it be to the greater glory of God to be labeled ‘lawbreakers’ if it was not necessary to do so? And might it lead our brother or sister to breaking more laws, perhaps of greater consequence? We know that when we act on this earth, we act as the ambassadors of God (Ephesians 6:20). We stand as the earthly representatives of the Kingdom of God, which an awesome responsibility. What we do and say should always reflect how Jesus would act. Others see that. Sometimes, we are the only way for people to see Jesus: through Him working in us.

St. Paul also said this: “Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment” (RSV). So there is a reason to obey the law, even if it indeed was silly in our eyes. But we must remember that God’s wisdom is not man’s wisdom. What we think might be silly could be the wisdom of God at work in His earthly instruments.

Just some thoughts

[aalpha1989]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' post='978905' date='May 11 2006, 08:03 PM']
Yes.

Just like it's a sin to drink under age (even if it's not to excess). MC is right.
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Is it a sin to drink under age (necessarily)? I think it is, but not necessarily because the law says that it is illegal. I think it is a sin because your parents wouldnt want you to, and so it is breaking the fourth commandment. I don't think the law can dictate what is right and wrong. Like card games? It is NOT wrong to play card games, and so the law cannot claim that it is. It might try to, but that wouldnt make it any more wrong to play card games. Does that make sense?

[PadreSantiago]

In 4th grade at my elementary school they banned the use of pogs, remember pogs? Anyway do you think we stopped playing pogs NO! We just did it in secret and it became blackmarket, it became like that scene in The Deer Hunter with an asian guy yellin in my face to do it NOW NWO! My point is if you make something illegal, espeically something that was legal yesterday, it will continue. Case in Point ummmmm PROHIBITION! That's right kiddies it didn't work.

[b]Actually here's my real point, LAWS ARE MADE BY MAN!!!!! Hello, man doesn't get to decide what is or isn't a sin! I think that right belongs to a little guy I like to call GOD.[/b]

Edited May 20, 2006 by PadreSantiago