frozencell Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 from Dayton Ohio, my home town. Wow! Me, too! Secondly, I agree with everything you had to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 You see, when I vote, I don't plan on voting. That way I don't vote for a pro-choice candidate that has some good social welfare ideas. And I don't vote for a pro-life candidate that has crappy social welfare ideas. I don't step on anyone's toes and I'm not commiting any sin by not voting. Actually, my deeply confused friend, you most certainly ARE sinning by not voting pro-life. The very fact that you would actually consider letting something like social welfare stop you from voting pro-life is most CERTAINLY a sin. You need to value the unborn WAY more than you do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 She responded with the argument that it would be impossible for a priest to know wether a person was homosexually orientated, or engaging in homosexual acts, unless they were blatantly confessed, and thusly a priest could very well unjustly discriminate against a person for their appearance or effeminate behaviour if they were indeed attempting to live chastely. What your cousin seems to be forgetting is that it is not up to the priest to judge someone for eternity. The priests job is protray Christ as much as humanly possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 ironmonk, why precisely is it garbage to say that st paul was a chaste homosexual? and what precisely is the problem with saying that christ was a chaste homosexual? is there now something wrong with being a chaste homosexual? It is a disorder... it is a cross similar to other crosses that people carry. There is no evidence to say such things about Paul... and Christ was perfect... not disordered... It is blasphemy to say that Christ could have been a chase homosexual... for the simple fact that homosexuality is a disorder. There are people that are to busy even to worry about sex, we are much more than who we are attracted to. Could Paul have been a chaste homosexual... yes... is there evidence to show this... no ...that is my whole point. I'm sorry if you took it wrong. I called it "garbage" because it is pure speculation and ungrounded by both Scripture and the Early Church Fathers. Your Servant In Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Dayton Ohio, my home town. Heheh.. This is cool! I'm from Lebanon, OH. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 really now? blasphemous? one of christ's natures was fully human. that fully human nature was tempted the same as all of ours. explain to me why the possibility of christ being tempted in a homosexual manner bothers you. all sin is disordered and being tempted is being tempted. explain to me why him being tempted in this way bothers you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frozencell Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 really now? blasphemous? one of christ's natures was fully human. that fully human nature was tempted the same as all of ours. explain to me why the possibility of christ being tempted in a homosexual manner bothers you. all sin is disordered and being tempted is being tempted. explain to me why him being tempted in this way bothers you? Just out of curiosity...what basis do you have to think that He was? Or are you just poting this to be obstinant? :huh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 (edited) i have no basis to think he was. but i also fail to see how the possibility of him being is blasphemous. for certain parties on this forum who think homosexuals are subhumanoids it makes sense that it would be blasphemous. i plainly and simply want to knnow why this temptation is problematic for ironmonk. i'm not the one that brought HIM into it. thank you very much. God Bless. Edited December 29, 2003 by hyperdulia again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazilloe Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 Actually, my deeply confused friend, you most certainly ARE sinning by not voting pro-life. The very fact that you would actually consider letting something like social welfare stop you from voting pro-life is most CERTAINLY a sin. You need to value the unborn WAY more than you do. I will talk to my priest about this, and if this is true, I will leave the Catholic Church. I refuse to be bullied into voting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsFrozen Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 I will talk to my priest about this, and if this is true, I will leave the Catholic Church. I refuse to be bullied into voting. Hi, Hazilloe. Please do talk to a priest about it. By voting pro-life, you are doing something to reverse Roe v. Wade. It's really the easiest possible thing you can do to to care for unborn children. To sit idly by and pass up an opportunity to help put an end to the murder of babies is sinful. Why in the world would you leave the Catholic Church over that? Leaving the Church will not change the fact that it's a sin. God bless.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 I will talk to my priest about this, and if this is true, I will leave the Catholic Church. I refuse to be bullied into voting. We all have an obligation to vote Pro-Life. Please read some of the documents here: http://www.catholic-pages.com/dir/abortion.asp Who says what's right or wrong? - God... How does God speak to us? - Through His Church. The Church is the Pillar and Foundation of Truth (1 Tim 3:15). Guided in all truth, just as Christ said. All who leave her, do so to their own destruction (Acts 20:30/ 1 Peter 3:15) Are you being bullied into not stealing? Are you being bullied into worshiping God? Your Servant, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazilloe Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 im sorry there's unborn babies murdered everyday. (scientifically they are called FETUSES. it isn't a liberal thing, it's a scientific thing) i'm extremely sorry that there isn't a liberal candidate that is pro-life. i grew up in a Democrat family, and I live in a Democrat state. I was baptized Catholic, but recently started practicing again (since the summer). If the Catholic Church thinks that by not voting because you don't feel that you are being honest with yourself if you vote either way is a sin, then I will leave. You can continue to think it's a sin, but I do not believe that that's a sin. and i refuse to believe it's a sin. by staying in the Catholic Church i will not be honest with myself, because even though i will confess that i didn't vote pro-life, i will do nothing to change it. because i will never vote republican. it goes against EVERYTHING that i believe. and i believe in being honest with myself, and more importantly, with the institutions that i associate with (the catholic church). if i stay in the catholic church i will not be honest with either of them. if this all is true. i'll figure it out tomorrow. right now i suspend my faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 The word FETUS is a latin word, it means offspring or child . . . and they are still human babies, since I don't use scientific terms in my normal speech, I wont use it to refer to in-utero babies. I don't call you a homo-sapien, I call you a person. I don't call a baby a fetus, I call it a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLAZEr Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 The word FETUS is a latin word, it means offspring or child . . . and they are still human babies, since I don't use scientific terms in my normal speech, I wont use it to refer to in-utero babies. I don't call you a homo-sapien, I call you a person. I don't call a baby a fetus, I call it a baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazilloe Posted December 29, 2003 Share Posted December 29, 2003 and i call unborn babies FETUSES. deal? what is wrong with you people? i call an unborn baby a fetus and i'm made out to be pro-choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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