Domine ut Videam Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 (edited) First off, sorry if this isn't the appropriate place for this to go...i didn't really know where to post it. A couple of weeks ago I had a very disturbing conversation with Eens on PhatChat about LifeTeen. He was telling me that the teens involved in LT basically were only in it for the loud music, and that it was a bad program, that had no good aspects. While I will admit that there are still some things about LT that i am still questioning I have seen 100fold the fruits of it's labor. I would like you all to read this thread and to check out this website. I started this thread out of curiosity of what type of responses I would get. The question that I asked the teens on the LT website was if they would go to mass if it was not LT mass.... because that was my problem with LT....but look at the responses I have gotten so far. [url="http://www.lifeteen.com/default.aspx?PageID=TEENTALKTHREAD&&__ForumID=5&__ThreadID=16618"]Lifeteen Mass[/url] Feel free to check out the rest of the forum. These are searching teens, but most are grounded in their Catholicism. And I just hate it when everyone is down on the teenage generation of today; because we are not what you think we are. Thanks for listening and being open. -Yours in Christ Lauren Edited May 6, 2006 by Domine ut Videam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted May 7, 2006 Author Share Posted May 7, 2006 just want to raise awareness : Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Domine ut Videam' post='973517' date='May 6 2006, 12:39 PM']And I just hate it when everyone is down on the teenage generation of today; because we are not what you think we are. Thanks for listening and being open. [/quote] I find this funny, considering Sam(EENS) is 16 years old. Very much a teenager himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted May 8, 2006 Author Share Posted May 8, 2006 What! I had no idea! I just knew that he was attacking me and the program in the chat a couple of weeks ago...and when i asked him what he actually knew about it....and if he knew any actual teens involved in it....wow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 You'll find that there are a lot of youngish SSPX kids on PM saying that we're all neo-Catholics. It makes me sad, I wish we could just get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted May 8, 2006 Author Share Posted May 8, 2006 yeah......i am slowly coming to realize that, i posted about that on the lame board, in thomas moore's fish eaters' thread...you should read it. I might have been a bit harsh...but i don't know. I just wish everyone could realize that we are all one Body, I mean the Church is the Church. There are not neo-trads, trads, whatever, it makes me frustrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 I feel ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 You'll find that many phatmassers, including myself, have no problem with Lifeteen except for a few liturgical aspects of it. Why? Well, your own statement is why... [quote]I just wish everyone could realize that we are all one Body, I mean the Church is the Church.[/quote] We [b]are[/b] all one body, so we should all celebrate the sacrafice of the mass the same way. No reason to change or alter the liturgy for one specific demographic. I don't want to overlook the positive aspects of Lifeteen though, which are many. I just think a different approach to engaging teens into the liturgy would be more productive, because what happens to the teens who fall in love with the "Lifeteen way", leave home, and then have to "settle" on the common liturgy celebrated in every Catholic church? What we tried to do at the first phatmass event was to attract teens with music, activities and fun--but all of this came [b]before[/b] and [b]after[/b] mass, not during. The contrast that was created, I think, had a profound influence on the teens and I believe that they all got a lot more out of that mass for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akalyte Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 (edited) i'm sorry im not into the whole life teen thing. The Catholic Church itself is for teens. The mass doesnt need to be altared or changed to suit them. Edited May 8, 2006 by Akalyte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='dUSt' post='974722' date='May 7 2006, 09:03 PM'] You'll find that many phatmassers, including myself, have no problem with Lifeteen except for a few liturgical aspects of it. Why? Well, your own statement is why... We [b]are[/b] all one body, so we should all celebrate the sacrafice of the mass the same way. No reason to change or alter the liturgy for one specific demographic. I don't want to overlook the positive aspects of Lifeteen though, which are many. I just think a different approach to engaging teens into the liturgy would be more productive, because what happens to the teens who fall in love with the "Lifeteen way", leave home, and then have to "settle" on the common liturgy celebrated in every Catholic church? What we tried to do at the first phatmass event was to attract teens with music, activities and fun--but all of this came [b]before[/b] and [b]after[/b] mass, not during. The contrast that was created, I think, had a profound influence on the teens and I believe that they all got a lot more out of that mass for that very reason. [/quote] I agree with you too dUSt. My biggest issue is how some people can be kinda mean about LifeTeen in general. I'm not absolutely in love with the music they tend to use. But some people being completely nasty about it kind of ruins their actual point about wanting to retain the beauty of the liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted May 8, 2006 Author Share Posted May 8, 2006 I know what you mean....i wish the site was runnning today...but it is down. Check out the forum tomorrow. Because honestly the teens are not like that. The link was the most important part of the whole post... and today it won't work...so please check it out tomorrow:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Domine ut Videam' post='973517' date='May 6 2006, 11:39 AM'] First off, sorry if this isn't the appropriate place for this to go...i didn't really know where to post it. A couple of weeks ago I had a very disturbing conversation with Eens on PhatChat about LifeTeen. He was telling me that the teens involved in LT basically were only in it for the loud music, and that it was a bad program, that had no good aspects. While I will admit that there are still some things about LT that i am still questioning I have seen 100fold the fruits of it's labor. I would like you all to read this thread and to check out this website. I started this thread out of curiosity of what type of responses I would get. The question that I asked the teens on the LT website was if they would go to mass if it was not LT mass.... because that was my problem with LT....but look at the responses I have gotten so far. [url="http://www.lifeteen.com/default.aspx?PageID=TEENTALKTHREAD&&__ForumID=5&__ThreadID=16618"]Lifeteen Mass[/url] Feel free to check out the rest of the forum. These are searching teens, but most are grounded in their Catholicism. And I just hate it when everyone is down on the teenage generation of today; because we are not what you think we are. Thanks for listening and being open. -Yours in Christ Lauren [/quote] The problem that most people have with Lifeteen is not because of teenagers... it is because of the gross errors taught to teens. I've surfed through their message board... grounded in Catholicism is not a thought that crossed my mind. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domine ut Videam Posted May 8, 2006 Author Share Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='ironmonk' post='974745' date='May 7 2006, 07:21 PM'] I've surfed through their message board... grounded in Catholicism is not a thought that crossed my mind. [/quote] Have you ever talked to these teens....any teen that is a part of this, or an organization like it? Because obviously, you haven't. The majority of waht i have seen are very serious about their faith. They want to learn more, but unfortunately no one is there to teach them, so they have to teach themselves. I think about sending them here....but then i don't for fear that they will feel as though they are not "Catholic" enough. [quote name='Akalyte' post='974724' date='May 7 2006, 07:05 PM'] i'm sorry im not into the whole life teen thing. The Catholic Church itself is for teens. The mass doesnt need to be altared or changed to suit them. [/quote] huh????? What do you mean it is for us?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 [quote name='Domine ut Videam' post='974755' date='May 7 2006, 06:33 PM'] I think about sending them here....but then i don't for fear that they will feel as though they are not "Catholic" enough. huh????? What do you mean it is for us??[/quote] Geesh. The opposite of that statement would be, "I'd send my kids to Lifeteen, but don't for fear that they will feel they are too "Catholic". Not good. haha What Akalyte meant was that the church, in it's universal form, is what the teens should be attracted to, and not just the Lifeteen presentation of it. Again, I don't want to bash Lifeteen because it has a lot of positive things going for it. Like anything (phatmass for example), there is good and bad. If I can be biased for a moment, I think it's a mistake to not expose teens to phatmass though. Any teen here who consistently engages in the conversations will tell you that phatmass has helped strengthen their understanding and devotion to their faith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mercy me Posted May 8, 2006 Share Posted May 8, 2006 ....and the the reason for the rephormation. Yeah rephormation!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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