Resurrexi Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 He was infallably canonized, so I dont see why not, but if you have good evidence as why we shouldnt, please provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 His cults were confirmed, so I dont see why not, but if you have good evidence as why we shouldnt, please provide it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I believe that his public cultus was reprobated by Pope Paul VI in 1965. Thus, no public veneration of this person is permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 What about private veneration? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I have looked into this point since you have brought it up, and if someone who knows more than I do shows my understanding to be inadequate, then I beg this post to be discarded and the more trustworthy response to be taken up. In 1965 the Sacred Congregation of Rites removed St. Simon of Trent from the calender and his veneration forbidden. It seems to me that this is to be understood in a [i]liturgical[/i] sense. He has not been declared not to be a saint, but rather, we are not to celebrate this saint in the Divine Liturgy. Thus, it seems to me that we can, individually and outside of a liturgical context, venerate little St. Simon. However, this does not give us license to believe all of the supposed stories about him. If one looks to the actual infallible statement in question, the [i]only[/i] thing that is infallibly defined is that he is in Heaven. This, and only this, fact concerning him is protected by divine infallibility. For this reason, when the Church views that there is insufficient evidence to make the claim that he was murdered by the local Jews (such as is the case with St. Simon of Trent), we should abide by this judgment. Personal veneration should in no way lead us to anti-semitism. Your Brother in Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 To get an authoritative answer you should contact the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments, because the answer to your question depends on what exactly Pope Paul VI (and the Congregation of Rites) said in the act of suppression of Simon's cult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Can someone please combine the "Can we venerate St. Simon of Trent?" threads. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 [quote]he only thing that is infallibly defined is that he is in Heaven.[/quote] actually, I'm pretty sure that only his cults were confirmed, and there was no infallable canonization, though I may be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ahh, thanks for the correction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I don't know anything about this guy, anybody care to give a small background, or a fairly concise link? THankee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Look at Wiki for more information: [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Trent"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_of_Trent[/url] The entry at Catholic-Forum.com: [url="http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/saints0b.htm"]http://www.catholic-forum.com/Saints/saints0b.htm[/url] Also, the following quote is from NewAdvent's online copy of the Catholic Encyclopedia. [quote name='Catholic Encyclopedia']The much discussed story of the death of St. Simon of Trent belongs to the reign of Prince-Bishop Johannes IV Hinderbach. On Holy Thursday of the year 1475, the little child, then about 20 months old, son of a gardener, was missed by its parents. On the evening of Easter Sunday the body was found in a ditch. Several Jews, who were accused of the murder, were cruelly tortured.[/quote] This is under the entry for [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15035a.htm"]Trent (link)[/url]. Assuming that this was not edited by NewAdvent, the text was written in 1912, just over 50 years before the cult was suppressed. It would appear that the Catholic Encyclopedia's author is skeptical of the Jews guilt, and unequivically scandalized by their treatment at the hands of their accusers. As has already been said, St. Simon of Trent was never canonized (at least according to the Wiki entry), though it's hard to imagine a 20 month-old baptized infant anywhere but heaven after he dies. Some odds and ends: Someone created a website for St. Simon of Trent, which Catholic Culture reviews confirm is extremely anti-Semetic and anti-Vatican II. See the review here: [url="http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_view.cfm?recnum=2765"]http://www.catholicculture.org/sites/site_...cfm?recnum=2765[/url] This confirms the Wiki articles statement: [quote name='Wikipedia']the murder [of St. Simon of Trent] is still promoted as a fact by a handful of extremists[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inquisitor Generalis Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 [quote name='Apotheoun' post='971800' date='May 4 2006, 09:40 PM'] I believe that his public cultus was reprobated by Pope Paul VI in 1965. Thus, no public veneration of this person is permitted. [/quote] [mod]Negative criticism of magisterium. - dUSt[/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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