Circle_Master Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 I'm at a little bit of a loss at what Catholicism teaches on a certain area. I will repeat a few things that I have read. I remember them distinctly, so if you just say they are not true, that will not help because I read them from Catholic sources as well, not protestant. One was a newspaper quote, and the other in a Catecism. The first It was written somewhere that a Pope spoke and the council agreed that if one did not believe in the Papal authority, he was anathema. The second I read a newspaper article which said within the past few years the Pope made a declaration that there could be found salvation outside of the church. The third This one may be wrong, but I believe I read in several books that the Catholic system believes if you never heard the Gospel message, you were bound to other .. rules for salvation. Could you please reconcile these for me. Perhaps the first was later said to not be true. Perhaps for the second, most Catholics don't agree with. I am not sure, but the first and the second I am positive I read from Catholic sources. I apologize for not having them now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 There is no salvation outside of the Church (there is no group other thaaan the Body of Christ that has recieved the fullness of Truth). If people through no fault of their own are ignorant of Catholic Truth, they can be saved. It is through Holy Church and the treasury of truth and grace given her by God that any man/woman/child that will be saved will be saved. :nerd: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 There are extraordinary exceptions to the ordinary requirement of Catholicism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 why do you call me brother then if you believe me to be a pagan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 why do you call me brother then if you believe me to be a pagan? No one has ever said they believe you to be pagan. None of us believe you have the fullness of truth, but that doesn't make you a pagan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 let me rephrase for you then... why do you call me a brother when you believe me to be going to hell. That would not be a brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 we never said you were... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Hyper didn't say you were... I think he meant if you are ignorant to the truth of the Catholic Church even when you know it is the true Church then ur in trouble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 anathema: A Greek word with the root meaning of cursed or separated and the adapted meaning of excommunicated. Used in Church documents, especially the canons of ecumenical councils, to condemn heresy and practices opposed to proper discipline. Please read this: http://www.moraltruth.com/rJones-01.asp I explain what the Church teaches on Salvation by correcting Rick Jones. There are links to references. Your Servant in Christ, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 we call you brother because you have a baptised soul and thusly are *gasp* imperfectly united, but united nonetheless, to the catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 Nobody said you were going to hell. Thats not for any of us to decide. The Church's teaching on salvation says that there is an ordinary requirement of being a Catholic but there are extraordinary exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 what are these extraordinary exceptions. And where is the backup for them? If I was Catholic, It would make sense to me that everyone outside of the true Church would be going to hell. To say anything else compromises the justice of God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 what are these extraordinary exceptions. And where is the backup for them? If I was Catholic, It would make sense to me that everyone outside of the true Church would be going to hell. To say anything else compromises the justice of God As a catholic I would not say anyone is going to hell. Judge not lest ye be judged. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 27, 2003 Share Posted December 27, 2003 (edited) If you have never heard of Christianity, at death God does not hold you to christian standards, but to the natural law He implanted in your heart. If you have heard of Christianity and tried to follow it to your understanding, you wilol be judged by your understanding. If you have heard of the teachings of the CAtholic Church, and truly could not accept them you will be judged on that. But this is based on the fact that you tried to understand and have opened your heart and are still lacking. But, if you have heard the teaching of the Catholic Church, know them to be true, and walk away, you judge yourself condemned. This is rejecting Jesus Christ. CAtholics NEVER say anyone is in hell, not even Judas. The Church can only say who we think is in heaven. Edited December 27, 2003 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Circle_Master Posted December 27, 2003 Author Share Posted December 27, 2003 so the only people in hell are the one's who understand perfectly that they are wrong, and still don't act. Considering I don't know anyone who goes against what is best for himself, hell is going to be a very empty place! I can see why evangelism is never a priority for Catholic churches as well. You can say that statement is not true, but I know many Catholic churches in my area and 0, yes 0, I have ever seen lead community events to reach out. So in practice, pfft. I wonder what you do with Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. Where are these many going to destruction coming from! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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