immaculata Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 Now, I usually love my parish, but they do some weird things sometimes.... Tonight at Mass when they presented the gifts, the hosts were in this huge glass plate thing- looked like a cassarole dish! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the paten and chalice had to be made out of some sort of precious metal. (which glass obviously isn't) They only bring out the "cassarole dish" on special occasions like Christmas and Easter. Should I say something to my priest, or just get over it? Sometimes I feel like I'm being too picky. (my mom calls me the "Liturgy Nazi" :ph34r: ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 I think they should be made out of something esteemed as valuable, but after v2 i think the actual demand that they be made out of something valuable ended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 It's supposed to be a precious metal; or else a substanced lined with a precious metal. Neither the paten, nor the chalice should be made of a breakable substance, lest an awkward server (or celebrant!) knock into it and chip or shatter it. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 immaculata, I don't think you should "say something" to your priest, but you should ask him about it and be open to his response. Don't approach him with pre-concieved conclusions and wanting to tell him he's wrong. Your concern and question is legitimate, but so is his authority as a priest. It is my understanding that the utensils should be valuable materials and not especially fragile. For example, a gold chalice with lot's of thin filgeree could easily be damaged. A glass or crystal chalice would be considered suitable if of proper construction and design as opposed to a blown glass chalice that would easily chip. I'll ask my parish pastor next time I see him. We used to have glass stuff a few years ago, but we don't use anything but gold or silver now. I'll ask if it is because of Rubrics, or just a personal desire. Even though we have LifeTeen, we are very orthodox in everything. (he was discussing certain GIRM revisions before they were required to get us ready. Like when we stand before the prayer over the gifts. Sometimes it startles visiting priests because they aren't expecting it and the entire congregation stands before he tells us to.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted December 25, 2003 Share Posted December 25, 2003 From 2003 GIRM Chapter VI The Requisites for the Celebration of Mass III. Sacred Vessels 327. Among the requisites for the celebration of Mass, the sacred vessels are held in special honor, especially the chalice and paten, in which the bread and wine are offered and consecrated, and from which they are consumed. 328. Sacred vessels are to be made from precious metal. If they are made from metal that rusts or from a metal less precious than gold, then ordinarily they should be gilded on the inside. 329. In the Dioceses of the United States of America, sacred vessels may also be made from other solid materials that, according to the common estimation in each region, are precious, for example, ebony or other hard woods, provided that such materials are suited to sacred use and do not easily break or deteriorate. This applies to all vessels which hold the hosts, such as the paten, the ciborium, the pyx, the monstrance, and other things of this kind. 330. As regards chalices and other vessels that are intended to serve as receptacles for the Blood of the Lord, they are to have bowls of nonabsorbent material. The base, on the other hand, may be made of other solid and worthy materials. 331. For the consecration of hosts, a large paten may appropriately be used; on it is placed the bread for the priest and the deacon as well as for the other ministers and for the faithful. 332. As to the form of the sacred vessels, the artist may fashion them in a manner that is more in keeping with the customs of each region, provided each vessel is suited to the intended liturgical use and is clearly distinguishable from those intended for everyday use. 333. For the blessing of sacred vessels, the rites prescribed in the liturgical books are to be followed.136 334. The practice is to be kept of building a sacrarium in the sacristy, into which are poured the water from the purification of sacred vessels and linens (cf. above, no. 280). Looks like glass could "break easily"... as noted above. The part that always phreaks me out is the statement "In the Dioceses of the United States of America"...... followed by special circumstances.....are we that special? Can we not conform to the general guidelines? I TOO AM KNOWN AS A FANATIC REGARDING LITURGY......Generally I sit in the pew and wince, and pray, and wince, and pray, and wince......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
immaculata Posted December 26, 2003 Author Share Posted December 26, 2003 I TOO AM KNOWN AS A FANATIC REGARDING LITURGY......Generally I sit in the pew and wince, and pray, and wince, and pray, and wince......... At last! My long lost twin! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner Posted December 26, 2003 Share Posted December 26, 2003 Sis!!!!!!!!! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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