The Duetorocanonical Books

[MC Just]

the Catholic Bible contains 7 more books than the Protestant one. The new testament writers quote from these 7 books. The Protestant Bible is not the complete inspired word of God. While the New Testament writers quote from the Deutorcanonical books, their bible doesnt have them. Obviously Jesus and the Apostles used the Duetorocanonical books, today some Protestant bible do contain them but they are labeled "Apocrypha" Doubtful. They doubt the Books used By Christ and the Apostles.

Matthew 4:4 Wisdom 16:26

Matthew 4:15 1 Maccabees 5:15

Matthew 5:18 Baruch 4:1

Matthew 5:28 Sirach 9:8

Matthew 5:2ss Sirach 25:7-12

Matthew 5:4 Sirach 48:24

Matthew 6:7 Sirach 7:14

Matthew 6:9 Sirach 23:1, 4

Matthew 6:10 1 Maccabees 3:60

Matthew 6:12 Sirach 28:2

Matthew 6:13 Sirach 33:1

Matthew 6:20 Sirach 29:10s

Matthew 6:23 Sirach 14:10

Matthew 6:33 Wisdom 7:11

Matthew 7:12 Tobit 4:15

Matthew 7:12 Sirach 31:15

Matthew 7:16 Sirach 27:6

Matthew 8:11 Baruch 4:37

Matthew 8:21 Tobit 4:3

Matthew 9:36 Judith 11:19

Matthew 9:38 1 Maccabees 12:17

Matthew 10:16 Sirach 13:17

Matthew 11:14 Sirach 48:10

Matthew 11:22 Judith 16:17

Matthew 11:25 Tobit 7:17

Matthew 11:25 Sirach 51:1

Matthew 11:28 Sirach 24:19

Matthew 11:28 Sirach 51:23

Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:24s

Matthew 11:29 Sirach 6:28s

Matthew 11:29 Sirach 51:26s

Matthew 12:4 2 Maccabees 10:3

Matthew 12:5 Sirach 40:15

Matthew 13:44 Sirach 20:30s

Matthew 16:18 Wisdom 16:13

Matthew 16:22 1 Maccabees 2:21

Matthew 16:27 Sirach 35:22

Matthew 17:11 Sirach 48:10

Matthew 18:10 Tobit 12:15

Matthew 20:2 Tobit 5:15

Matthew 22:13 Wisdom 17:2

Matthew 23:38 Tobit 14:4

Matthew 24:15 1 Maccabees 1:54

Matthew 24:15 2 Maccabees 8:17

Matthew 24:16 1 Maccabees 2:28

Matthew 25:35 Tobit 4:17

Matthew 25:36 Sirach 7:32-35

Matthew 26:38 Sirach 37:2

Matthew 27:24 Daniel 13:46

Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:13

Matthew 27:43 Wisdom 2:18-20

Mark

Mark 1:15 Tobit 14:5

Mark 4:5 Sirach 40:15

Mark 4:11 Wisdom 2:22

Mark 5:34 Judith 8:35

Mark 6:49 Wisdom 17:15

Mark 8:37 Sirach 26:14

Mark 9:31 Sirach 2:18

Mark 9:48 Judith 16:17

Mark 10:18 Sirach 4:1

Mark 14:34 Sirach 37:2

Mark 15:29 Wisdom 2:17s

Luke

Luke 1:17 Sirach 48:10

Luke 1:19 Tobit 12:15

Luke 1:42 Judith 13:18

Luke 1:52 Sirach 10:14

Luke 2:29 Tobit 11:9

Luke 2:37 Judith 8:6

Luke 6:35 Wisdom 15:1

Luke 7:22 Sirach 48:5

Luke 9:8 Sirach 48:10

Luke 10:17 Tobit 7:17

Luke 10:19 Sirach 11:19

Luke 10:21 Sirach 51:1

Luke 12:19 Tobit 7:10

Luke 12:20 Wisdom 15:8

Luke 13:25 Tobit 14:4

Luke 13:27 1 Maccabees 3:6

Luke 13:29 Baruch 4:37

Luke 14:13 Tobit 2:2

Luke 15:12 1 Maccabees 10:29 [30]

Luke 15:12 Tobit 3:17

Luke 18:7 Sirach 35:22

Luke 19:44 Wisdom 3:7

Luke 21:24 Tobit 14:5

Luke 21:24 Sirach 28:18

Luke 21:25 Wisdom 5:22

Luke 24:4 2 Maccabees 3:26

Luke 24:31 2 Maccabees 3:34

Luke 24:50 Sirach 50:20s

Luke 24:53 Sirach 50:22

John

John 1:3 Wisdom 9:1

John 3:8 Sirach 16:21

John 3:12 Wisdom 9:16

John 3:12 Wisdom 18:15s

John 3:13 Baruch 3:29

John 3:28 1 Maccabees 9:39

John 3:32 Tobit 4:6

John 4:9 Sirach 50:25s

John 4:48 Wisdom 8:8

John 5:18 Wisdom 2:16

John 6:35 Sirach 24:21

John 7:38 Sirach 24:40, 43[30s]

John 8:44 Wisdom 2:24

John 8:53 Sirach 44:19

John 10:20 Wisdom 5:4

John 10:22 1 Maccabees 4:59

John 14:15 Wisdom 6:18

John 15:9s Wisdom 3:9

John 17:3 Wisdom 15:3

John 20:22 Wisdom 15:11

Acts

Acts 1:10 2 Maccabees 3:26

Acts 1:18 Wisdom 4:19

Acts 2:4 Sirach 48:12

Acts 2:11 Sirach 36:7

Acts 2:39 Sirach 24:32

Acts 4:24 Judith 9:12

Acts 5:2 2 Maccabees 4:32

Acts 5:12 1 Maccabees 12:6

Acts 5:21 2 Maccabees 1:10

Acts 5:39 2 Maccabees 7:19

Acts 9:1-29 2 Maccabees 3:24-40

Acts 9:2 1 Maccabees 15:21

Acts 9:7 Wisdom 18:1

Acts 10:2 Tobit 12:8

Acts 10:22 1 Maccabees 10:25

Acts 10:22 1 Maccabees 11:30, 33 etc.

Acts 10:26 Wisdom 7:1

Acts 10:30 2 Maccabees 11:8

Acts 10:34 Sirach 35:12s

Acts 10:36 Wisdom 6:7

Acts 10:36 Wisdom 8:3 etc.

Acts 11:18 Wisdom 12:19

Acts 12:5 Judith 4:9

Acts 12:10 Sirach 19:26

Acts 12:23 Judith 16:17

Acts 12:23 Sirach 48:21

Acts 12:23 1 Maccabees 7:41

Acts 12:23 2 Maccabees 9:9

Acts 13:10 Sirach 1:30

Acts 13:17 Wisdom 19:10

Acts 14:14 Judith 14:16s

Acts 14:15 Wisdom 7:3

Acts 15:4 Judith 8:26

Acts 16:14 2 Maccabees 1:4

Acts 17:23 Wisdom 14:20

Acts 17:23 Wisdom 15:17

Acts 17:24, 25 Wisdom 9:1

Acts 17:24 Tobit 7:17

Acts 17:24 Wisdom 9:9

Acts 17:26 Wisdom 7:18

Acts 17:27 Wisdom 13:6

Acts 17:29 Wisdom 13:10

Acts 17:30 Sirach 28:7

Acts 19:27 Wisdom 3:17

Acts 19:28 Daniel 14:18, 41

Acts 20:26 Daniel 13:46

Acts 20:32 Wisdom 5:5

Acts 20:35 Sirach 4:31

Acts 21:26 1 Maccabees 3:49

Acts 22.9 Wisdom 18.1

Acts 24:2 2 Maccabees 4:6

Acts 26:18 Wisdom 5:5

Acts 26:25 Judith 10:13

Romans

Romans 1:19-32 Wisdom 13-15

Romans 1:21 Wisdom 13:1

Romans 1:23 Wisdom 11:15

Romans 1:23 Wisdom 12:24

Romans 1:28 2 Maccabees 6:4

Romans 2:4 Wisdom 11:23

Romans 2:11 Sirach 35:12s

Romans 2:15 Wisdom 17:11

Romans 4:13 Sirach 44:21

Romans 4:17 Sirach 44:19

Romans 5:5 Sirach 18:11

Romans 5:12 Wisdom 2:24

Romans 9:4 Sirach 44:12

Romans 9:4 2 Maccabees 6:23

Romans 9:19 Wisdom 12:12

Romans 9:21 Wisdom 15:7

Romans 9:31 Sirach 27:8

Romans 9:31 Wisdom 2:11

Romans 10.7 Wisdom 16.13

Romans 10:6 Baruch 3:29

Romans 11:4 2 Maccabees 2:4

Romans 11:15 Sirach 10:20s

Romans 11:33 Wisdom 17:1

Romans 12:15 Sirach 7:34

Romans 13:1 Sirach 4:27

Romans 13:1 Wisdom 6:3s

Romans 13.10 Wisdom 6.18

Romans 15:4 1 Maccabees 12:9

Romans 15:8 Sirach 36:20

1 Corinthians

1 Corinthians 1:24 Wisdom 7:24s

1 Corinthians 2:16 Wisdom 9:13

1 Corinthians 2:9 Sirach 1:10

1 Corinthians 4:13 Tobit 5:19

1 Corinthians 4:14 Wisdom 11:10

1 Corinthians 6:2 Wisdom 3:8

1 Corinthians 6:12 Sirach 37:28

1 Corinthians 6:13 Sirach 36:18

1 Corinthians 6:18 Sirach 23:17

1 Corinthians 7:19 Sirach 32:23

1 Corinthians 9:19 Sirach 6:19

1 Corinthians 9:25 Wisdom 4:2

1 Corinthians 10:1 Wisdom 19:7s

1 Corinthians 10:20 Baruch 4:7

1 Corinthians 10:23 Sirach 37:28

1 Corinthians 11:7 Sirach 17:3

1 Corinthians 11:7 Wisdom 2:23

1 Corinthians 11:24 Wisdom 16:6

1 Corinthians 15:29 2 Maccabees 12:43s

1 Corinthians 15:32 Wisdom 2:5s

1 Corinthians 15:34 Wisdom 13:1

2 Corinthians

2 Corinthians 5:1, 4 Wisdom 9:15

2 Corinthians 12:12 Wisdom 10:16

Galatians

Galatians 2:6 Sirach 35:13

Galatians 4:4 Tobit 14:5

Galatians 6:1 Wisdom 17:17

Ephesians

Ephesians 1:6 Sirach 45:1

Ephesians 1:6 Sirach 46:13

Ephesians 1:17 Wisdom 7:7

Ephesians 4:14 Sirach 5:9

Ephesians 4:24 Wisdom 9:3

Ephesians 6:12 Wisdom 5:17

Ephesians 6:14 Wisdom 5:18

Ephesians 6:16 Wisdom 5:19, 21

Philippians

Philippians 4:5 Wisdom 2:19

Philippians 4:13 Wisdom 7:23

Philippians 4:18 Sirach 35:6

Colossians

Colossians 2:3 Sirach 1:24s

1 Thessalonians

1 Thessalonians 3:11 Judith 12:8

1 Thessalonians 4:6 Sirach 5:3

1 Thessalonians 4:13 Wisdom 3:18

1 Thessalonians 5:1 Wisdom 8:8

1 Thessalonians 5:2 Wisdom 18:14s

1 Thessalonians 5:3 Wisdom 17:14

1 Thessalonians 5:8 Wisdom 5:18

2 Thessalonians

2 Thessalonians 2:1 2 Maccabees 2:7

1 Timothy

1 Timothy 1:17 Tobit 13:7, 11

1 Timothy 2:2 2 Maccabees 3:11

1 Timothy 2:2 Baruch 1:11s

1 Timothy 6:15 Sirach 46:5

1 Timothy 6:15 2 Maccabees 12:15

1 Timothy 6:15 2 Maccabees 13:4

2 Timothy

2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 17:26

2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 23:10v1

2 Timothy 2:19 Sirach 35:3

2 Timothy 4:8 Wisdom 5:16

2 Timothy 4:17 1 Maccabees 2:60

Titus

Titus 2:11 2 Maccabees 3:30

Titus 3:4 Wisdom 1:6

Hebrews

Hebrews 1:3 Wisdom 7:25s

Hebrews 2:5 Sirach 17:17

Hebrews 4.12 Wisdom 18.15s

Hebrews 4:12 Wisdom 7:22-30

Hebrews 5:6 1 Maccabees 14:41

Hebrews 7:22 Sirach 29:14ss

Hebrews 11:5 Sirach 44:16

Hebrews 11:5 Wisdom 4:10

Hebrews 11:6 Wisdom 10:17

Hebrews 11.10 Wisdom 13.1

Hebrews 11:10 2 Maccabees 4:1

Hebrews 11:17 1 Maccabees 2:52

Hebrews 11:17 Sirach 44:20

Hebrews 11:27 Sirach 2:2

Hebrews 11:28 Wisdom 18:25

Hebrews 11:35 2 Maccabees 6:18-7:42

Hebrews 12:4 2 Maccabees 13:14

Hebrews 12:9 2 Maccabees 3:24

Hebrews 12:12 Sirach 25:23

Hebrews 12:17 Wisdom 12:10

Hebrews 12:21 1 Maccabees 13:2

Hebrews 13:7 Sirach 33:19

Hebrews 13:7 Wisdom 2:17

James

James 1:1 2 Maccabees 1:27

James 1:13 Sirach 15:11-20

James 1:19 Sirach 5:11

James 1:2 Sirach 2:1

James 1:2 Wisdom 3:4s

James 1:21 Sirach 3:17

James 2:13 Tobit 4:10

James 2:23 Wisdom 7:27

James 3:2 Sirach 14:1

James 3:6 Sirach 5:13

James 3:9 Sirach 23:1, 4

James 3:10 Sirach 5:13

James 3:10 Sirach 28:12

James 3:13 Sirach 3:17

James 4:2 1 Maccabees 8:16

James 4:11 Wisdom 1:11

James 5:3 Judith 16:17

James 5:3 Sirach 29:10

James 5:4 Tobit 4:14

James 5:6 Wisdom 2:10

James 5:6 Wisdom 2:12

James 5:6 Wisdom 2:19

1 Peter

1 Peter 1:3 Sirach 16:12

1 Peter 1:7 Sirach 2:5

1 Peter 2:25 Wisdom 1:6

1 Peter 4:19 2 Maccabees 1:24 etc.

1 Peter 5:7 Wisdom 12:13

2 Peter

2 Peter 2:2 Wisdom 5:6

2 Peter 2:7 Wisdom 10:6

2 Peter 3:9 Sirach 35:19

2 Peter 3:18 Sirach 18:10

1 John

1 John 5:21 Baruch 5:72

Jude

Jude 13 Wisdom 14:1

Revelation

Revelation 1:18 Sirach 18:1

Revelation 2:10 2 Maccabees 13:14

Revelation 2:12 Wisdom 18:16 [15]

Revelation 2:17 2 Maccabees 2:4-8

Revelation 4:11 Sirach 18:1

Revelation 4:11 Wisdom 1:14

Revelation 5:7 Sirach 1:8

Revelation 7:9 2 Maccabees 10:7

Revelation 8:1 Wisdom 18:14

Revelation 8:2 Tobit 12:15

Revelation 8:3 Tobit 12:12

Revelation 8:7 Sirach 39:29

Revelation 8:7 Wisdom 16:22

Revelation 9:3 Wisdom 16:9

Revelation 9:4 Sirach 44:18 etc.

Revelation 11:19 2 Maccabees 2:4-8

Revelation 17:14 2 Maccabees 13:4

Revelation 18:2 Baruch 4:35

Revelation 19:1 Tobit 13:18

Revelation 19:11 2 Maccabees 3:25

Revelation 19:11 2 Maccabees 11:8

Revelation 19:16 2 Maccabees 13:4

Revelation 20:12s Sirach 16:12

Revelation 21:19s Tobit 13:17

Edited December 24, 2003 by MC Just

[Circle_Master]

To allude or quote a text does not deem it inspired. Even Paul quotes a pagan philosopher in Titus by the name of Epimedes (sp?). The Jewish writings around those times even affirm that the Detective Daniel, and the rest were 'bed time stories' to the Jews. Why you would suggest to use a canon greater than even the Jews confirm as inspired I do not know. Scripture in the OT was given different as well, when the messages from YHVH were immediately known to be from YHVH albeit still ignored. Why do you hold to books that the Jews even today in the TANAKH do not say are inspired?

I checked a few of the 'quotes' and 3/5 I picked at random were incorrect. The first two for instance are quotes from Deuteronomy and Isaiah. If anything, the Apocryphal book was quoted from that as well. Not sure where you got you source, but I am hesitant to trust it further. I would like to investigate it though if you have a link.

Edited December 24, 2003 by Circle_Master

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

The Duetorocanonical books were part of the Septuagint, which was the Greek translation of the Hebrew scirptures. These books were not a part of the Judean canon. If you look at New Testament references to the Old Testament, it is quite obvious that the inspired writers were using the Septuagint:

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/septuagint.html

The Protestants attempt to defend their rejection of the deuterocanonicals on the ground that the early Jews rejected them. However, the Jewish councils that rejected them (e.g., council of Jamnia in 200 A.D.) were the same councils that rejected the entire New Testatment canon. Thus, Protestants who reject the Catholic Bible are following a Jewish council who rejected Christ and the Revelation of the New Testament.

ScriptureCatholic.com

If you don't trust the authority of the Church to deem what scriptures are inspired, than you cannot trust ANYTHING in the Bible. The Bible was compiled by an early Church council, under the guidance of the Holy Spirit. If you second guess the Church's decisions on what books are inspired, then you cannot trust any of the books in the Bible.

Edited December 24, 2003 by thedude

[dUSt]

May the love of Christ be with you Circle_Master.

Why you would suggest to use a canon greater than even the Jews confirm as inspired I do not know.

I don't know. Why do you? The Jews don't believe the New Testament is inspired.

Why do you hold to books that the Jews even today in the TANAKH do not say are inspired?

Early Judaism did use the books. That's the point. It is only after Christianity began that the anti-Christian Jews declared that they were not inspired. The Christians during that period did believe them to be inspired.

You should be asking yourself why you base your canon on that of the early anti-Christian Jews rather than that of the early Christians.

God bless.

[MC Just]

To allude or quote a text does not deem it inspired. Even Paul quotes a pagan philosopher in Titus by the name of Epimedes (sp?). The Jewish writings around those times even affirm that the Detective Daniel, and the rest were 'bed time stories' to the Jews. Why you would suggest to use a canon greater than even the Jews confirm as inspired I do not know. Scripture in the OT was given different as well, when the messages from YHVH were immediately known to be from YHVH albeit still ignored. Why do you hold to books that the Jews even today in the TANAKH do not say are inspired?

I checked a few of the 'quotes' and 3/5 I picked at random were incorrect. The first two for instance are quotes from Deuteronomy and Isaiah. If anything, the Apocryphal book was quoted from that as well. Not sure where you got you source, but I am hesitant to trust it further. I would like to investigate it though if you have a link.

Here's the Link

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/deutero3.htm

[MC Just]

and another on "DEFENDING THE DEUTEROCANONICALS"

http://www.cin.org/users/james/files/deuteros.htm

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Jews did use these books. Greek speaking Jews, not those in Palestine, used the Septuagint Canon. Palestinian Jews used the Hebrew Canon. The Samaritan Canon was different also. There was no single Jewish Canon.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/deuterocanon.html

http://www.infpage.com/concordance/dtbooks.htm

http://www.catholic.com/library/Old_Testament_Canon.asp

http://www.scborromeo.org/truth/b4.htm

http://www.cathinsight.com/apologetics/deutero.htm

Just a few of many good sites.

BTW: Here's a good reason for the Protestant rejection of the Duetorocanonical books:

"Thus he made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from this sin."

2 Maccabees 12:46

Maccabees teaches the existence of Purgatory.

Edited December 24, 2003 by thedude

[Circle_Master]

Most of these are good responses, I applaud you.

Some thoughts however, I was speaking of the assumed Old Testament from around the time of Ezra and the Great Council. We have writings and prefaces, especially in the Targums which include the Tanakh set books, but not those selected at the Council of Jamnia.

I agree that many quotations from the NT are from the LXX (Septuagint), that doesn't prove that the Septuagint and the books also translated with it were all recognized as Scripture. They translated many things, and also parts of other Apocryphal writings which were NOT taken to be authoritative as well.

Just so you know, I have read 'Wisdom of Solomon' and some of 'Tobit' and also '1 Maccabbees'. I have read the introduction to 'Sirach' as well, to do some research on wisdom literature as the Jews saw it.

To argue that because they are quoted or alluded to, they are inspired is a very bad argument as well. For one example, in Titus 1:12 we have Epimenides being quoted who definately was not a Christian, or inspired, or a follower of YHVH (since he was before Christ). There are also references to the 'Assumption of Moses' that we get the names of the two Egyptian Priests from which are not counted as inspired either.

Let me paste some webpages from non-catholic webpages since all of yours are from pro-catholic ones. Maybe we can have a little balance.

http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/apocrypha.html

http://www.carm.org/lost/intro_noncanonical.htm

http://www.monergism.com/thethreshold/arti...etin/chap9.html

Edited December 24, 2003 by Circle_Master

[foundsheep]

So is there a difference when Jesus quoted as to Paul?

[Circle_Master]

Jesus never recognized any of the DeueroCanonical books as authoritative. If he did, show me. You posted lots of verses, but most of them are extremely vague. Actually, I didn't find any clear single verse.

[dUSt]

To argue that because they are quoted or alluded to, they are inspired is a very bad argument as well.

I'm curious as to how you make an argument that the canon you read is inspired. Care to share?

[Aloysius]

alright, you gave us this site, let's have a look-see http://christiananswers.net/dictionary/apocrypha.html

They are not once quoted by the New Testament writers, who frequently quote from the LXX. Our Lord and his apostles confirmed by their authority the ordinary Jewish canon, which was the same as we have today.

wait... we just showed that they did in fact quote these books, didn't we?

so, we're not saying that because they quoted these books they must have been inspired, we are just saying that the argument that they didn't quote the books is in fact not true.

These books were written not in Hebrew but in Greek, and during the "period of silence," from the time of Malachi, after which direct revelations from God ceased till the Christian era.

God can't speek greek? what about the NT?

i don't know much about this 'period of silence' but as far as i can tell there is absolutely nothing that says books wouldn't be inspired, maybe prophesys would stop but something doesn't havta be prophesy to be part of scripture. what about the Pentateuch, the Gospels.. they're not prophesy.

The contents of the books themselves show that they are not part of Scripture.

according to the same ppl who said the NT was part of scripture, their contents show that they are part of scripture. if you can believe the stories of, say, Jonah, how can these stories not be accepted? their contents show they're not part of protestant theology, not that they're not part of scripture.

Ancient Jewish writers and rabbis did not accept them as Scripture.

yeah, Ancient Jewish writers who did not have God's authority, and ancient Jewish councils at 100 AD who had lost their authority when it was given to the Apostles.

if i get a chance i'll look at the other site, but right now, i gotta go to family's for Christmas Eve. I hope you all have a very merry and blessed Christmas!

[hyperdulia again]

If the Catholic Church can't be trusted on the Canon, why trust her on the Trinity? If She is this devious beast who adds un-inspired books to the Bible, maybe she corrupted the text of the inspired books, She was the only kid in town for about 1,054 years.

[jmjtina]

As the Catholic apologist Patrick Madrid states, “There is no “inspired” table of contents.” There is a difference of seven books that our separated brothers and sisters do not have. What you will find missing is Tobit, Judith, Wisdom, Sirach, Baruch, (including the Letter of Jeremiah), I and II Maccabees and parts of Esther and Daniel. However, you will find that the New Testament canon of the Catholic Church, the twenty-seven books we share with our separated friends, exist because the authority of the Catholic Church made the selection. It was the Catholic Church who made the selection of what books did or did not belong; therefore all who have the New Testament are adhering to the authority of the Catholic Church. For those who doubt that the Magisterium of the Catholic Church has any authority must logically doubt the choice of the books inspired by God.

There is a difference between Catholic and Protestant usage concerning various classes of books. Protestants use the word "apocrypha" to refer to the books of the Old Testament that are part of the Catholic canon but which they have left out of thiers. Books that the Catholics call apocrypha are called pseudepigrapha (false writings) by the Protestants.

Class of books--------------------------Catholic Usage--------------------Protestant Usage

7 OT books accepted by

Catholics but not by protestants.-----------Deuterocanonical---------------Apocryphal

books that looked like

scripture but not accepted in

any canon. ---------------------------------Apocryphal---------------------Pseudpigraphical

The seven books are authoritive because the Catholic Church is guided by the Holy Spirit. The same divine spirit that have deemed the rest of the bible authoritive, especially by the New Testament Canon. It seems illogical to think that the Catholic Church is authortive on only the "certain" books and not all. It doesn’t seem logical to think that God gave us His Word, and no one knows what belongs and what doesn't. No one can interpret the laws of the land for themselves; there are courts whose decisions are authoritative and binding. The same with the Catholic Church.

Peace and God Bless.

[dUSt]

That's basically what it comes down to for me. I don't understand how non-Catholic Christians can accept the NT canon formed by the Church, but reject the OT canon formed by the exact same Church. Maybe one of our non-Catholic members can help explain it.