there is only one Holy Catholic Church...

[Anthony]

I am really getting tired of the constant debating between Catholics who attend the traditional Latin Mass and the Novos Ordo Mass. Both are accepted by Rome. Please, let's not act as though there is a separation because if we were to act as though either celebration of the Mass was wrong, then we would be causing more of a separation, just as did our protestant brothers and sisters did during the Reformation period. We are One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church!

Also, people constantly talk about how they went to the indult Mass. In other words people, you went to Mass regardless of whether it was said in English or in Latin or whether it was NO or TLM. If you like the traditional Mass, great! I do too, but my parish that I go to is NO, but that's okay. I love the Church regardless.

Anyone is free to debate with me, but I don't care because I feel that there is now a separation between the NO and TLM which should never happen because both are still accepted and we are still members of the One, Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

[MichaelFilo]

There is a very real difference, and it is most noticable in the crowd who goes to the TLM, and then that which goes to the NO. You do not have to hate the current church to be able to see which group is the one with faith to move mountains and which one is part of this world. However, the uniting factor, the Eucharist, is what ties it all together. Remember, there is no seperation as long as there is the Eucharist (licit and valid).

God bless,
Mikey

[Brother Adam]

amusing answer.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 17 2006, 06:54 PM']amusing answer.
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How so?

[dspen2005]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Apr 17 2006, 06:31 PM']There is a very real difference, and it is most noticable in the crowd who goes to the TLM, and then that which goes to the NO. You do not have to hate the current church to be able to see which group is the one with faith to move mountains and which one is part of this world. However, the uniting factor, the Eucharist, is what ties it all together. Remember, there is no seperation as long as there is the Eucharist (licit and valid).

God bless,
Mikey
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so, which group is the one with faith that can move mountains??

[MichaelFilo]

You wouldn't know, and I shouldn't answer. I speak from limited personal experience, and you may disregard all but the Eucharist part, because that is a Truth. Jesus unites us, and it is in the Eucharist in which it is most visable.

God bless,
Mikey

[dspen2005]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Apr 17 2006, 07:19 PM']You wouldn't know, and I shouldn't answer. I speak from limited personal experience, and you may disregard all but the Eucharist part, because that is a Truth. Jesus unites us, and it is in the Eucharist in which it is most visable.

God bless,
Mikey
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you also shouldn't have said such, if you were going to refuse to explain yourself.

[jasJis]

It's amusing because it's childish, devisive, judgemental, stereotypical, and really quite common in the 'catholic' church. It's always easier to be reassured you're going to heaven if you can point to somebody that you're pretty sure isn't.

[MichaelFilo]

You really did jump ship. [mod] no name calling please[/mod]

Anywho, validate what you just said, please JasJis, since my assurance of going to heaven has been, I'd say unfortunaltly never existed. I'm not sure I'm going to heaven, simply that I believe in one's existance.

And as for what I said, if it means I have to recant what I said, then I shall say it quite plainly, the faith I see in the Traditional Latin Mass parishoners is much greater than that in those who go to the Novus Ordo, both said by the same holy priest, who says both beautifully, and I believe is the best envisionment of what I want to become as a priest. The easiest difference, in the Novus Ordo, I see people chewing gum and wearing short skirts, in the TLM I see women with their heads covered (as are some in the NO, do not get me wrong) and dressed modestly. One woman was explaining to her child what was going on in the Mass, trying to raise him in Truth, instead of letting the little fluffy air extraction run around and be loud. Oh, and the family size count is also much closer to that of the "Go forth and multiply" numbering at the TLM. That is what I call some signs of the more faithful bunch.

God bless,
Mikey

[jasJis]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Apr 17 2006, 06:36 PM']You really did jump ship.

Anywho, validate what you just said, please JasJis, since my assurance of going to heaven has been, I'd say unfortunaltly never existed. I'm not sure I'm going to heaven, simply that I believe in one's existance.

And as for what I said, if it means I have to recant what I said, then I shall say it quite plainly, the faith I see in the Traditional Latin Mass parishoners is much greater than that in those who go to the Novus Ordo, both said by the same holy priest, who says both beautifully, and I believe is the best envisionment of what I want to become as a priest. The easiest difference, in the Novus Ordo, I see people chewing gum and wearing short skirts, in the TLM I see women with their heads covered (as are some in the NO, do not get me wrong) and dressed modestly. One woman was explaining to her child what was going on in the Mass, trying to raise him in Truth, instead of letting the little fluffy air extraction run around and be loud. Oh, and the family size count is also much closer to that of the "Go forth and multiply" numbering at the TLM. That is what I call some signs of the more faithful bunch.

God bless,
Mikey
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[/quote]hee-haw. I still got a sense of humour. :
TLM seems to be following the 'rules' better than the NO crowd. Yes? If a Baptist can get to heaven, are some things more of a burden than is necessary? Have rules and judgements gotten in the way of what the Eucharist is supposed to be to/for you and for the 'worshiping community'?

[MichaelFilo]

It is a joy to suffer with the Lord, and the cross is my joy. Chew on that.

If all we shot for was the minimum, my good man, then we really wouldn't ever make it, because to be on fire for Christ is to, essentially, try for the maximum. No amount of empty rituals will save me, or you.

God bless,
Mikey

(Mods, he quoted me, so you may want to edit that, although, it was all in good fun, although, I forgot that lighthearted curse words weren't appreciated here).

[Azriel]

Oh I appreciate a lighthearted curse word....unfortunately, if we aren't consistent people get crabby. Thanks for the heads up.

[Anthony]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Apr 17 2006, 07:36 PM']You really did jump ship.  [mod] no name calling please[/mod]

Anywho, validate what you just said, please JasJis, since my assurance of going to heaven has been, I'd say unfortunaltly never existed. I'm not sure I'm going to heaven, simply that I believe in one's existance.

And as for what I said, if it means I have to recant what I said, then I shall say it quite plainly, the faith I see in the Traditional Latin Mass parishoners is much greater than that in those who go to the Novus Ordo, both said by the same holy priest, who says both beautifully, and I believe is the best envisionment of what I want to become as a priest. The easiest difference, in the Novus Ordo, I see people chewing gum and wearing short skirts, in the TLM I see women with their heads covered (as are some in the NO, do not get me wrong) and dressed modestly. One woman was explaining to her child what was going on in the Mass, trying to raise him in Truth, instead of letting the little fluffy air extraction run around and be loud. Oh, and the family size count is also much closer to that of the "Go forth and multiply" numbering at the TLM. That is what I call some signs of the more faithful bunch.

God bless,
Mikey
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However, you cannot judge with absolute certainty that all who attend the Novos Ordo Mass are like that you said. That isn't (or it shouldn't) be the reason why there is so much hostility between those who go to the Tridentine Mass and those who go to the Novos Ordo Mass. My point is that there is so many debates between people who go to the Novos Ordo and people who go to the Tridentine Mass. There should never be a debate like this because we believe the same thing and the Mass is still the Mass whether it is celebrated in Latin, Spanish, or English and whether it is the Novos Ordo Mass or the Tridentine Mass. Point is, we are all Catholic. Let's not debate with one another over how the Mass is said. I for crying out loud people, stop referring to other Catholics as "Neo-Catholics" and "Rad-Trad Catholics" or what ever the term is. Name calling does not accomplish anything except to drive a wedge between the Church's members. We will always be united by the Eucharist and we will always be One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. Let us love one another and act as though we do. Let us pray that those who have separated from the One true Church return to Rome.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

there is one church. But the current Pope and many bishops have fallen away. In all reality, Trads and Novus Ordinarians are members of 2 different relegions.

[qfnol31]

The current Pope?

Now that's a scary thought.