Women should not wear Pants

[Maria]

I like to wear skirts, and I think that it does encourage a sense of complementarity, but I tend not to wear them to school anymore, because of static electricity... when walking, skirts (unless they're very heavy) ride up. And slips, of course, slide down.

I have made many a skirt: they're the easiest article of clothing to make. I've also made some dresses and a vest, but I've never made a shirt or a pair of pants.

I haven't made pies for a while, but I did make 16 loaves of bread today.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:16 PM']Thank you, that's what I said!
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WHAT? How dare you call me a girl!

[qfnol31]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 17 2006, 08:21 PM']WHAT?  How dare you call me a girl!
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I said I don't wanna be in the kitchen!



















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[JesusITrustInYou]

[quote name='Farsight one' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:41 PM']I find it more tempting when women wear skirts, and in fact, in some cases, full length dresses as well.  I have a female friend who most often wears pants or loose fitting jeans.  Now, I don't LOOK, but sometimes you just glance in a certain direction at the wrong time and you notice things.  I impulsively thought that she doesn't seem to have much of a "backside" and then pushed the thought from my mind as quickly as possible.  Several weeks later she was wearing a dress for a program she was putting on at school and my  passing thought from before sure was proven wrong.  I went to the program support my friend, but I almost found myself leaving early because I was becoming too tempted to stare.

Tight jeans sure are innapropriate - in men as well as women.  As for loose fitting jeans/pants and skirts - loose fitting jeans/pants reveal the general shape of a woman more.  However, a skirt or dress hugs much tighter to the backside.  Both manners of clothing can be tempting to a man in their own way.  We are not made good Catholics by ridding temptation and running from it at any chance we get, but by having the capacity to resist such temptations.  At my college, certain rules of modesty are in place to help people become or remain moral people, but out in the real world, you just don't have control over it.  You can't run from the billboard advertising a strip joint that you have to drive by every day on your way to work.  You have to deal with it (lest you can afford the money needed to by the advertising space) and resist the temptation.  It is THAT that makes one a good christian.[right][snapback]951391[/snapback][/right][/quote]



I have a question...people seem to be saying that women who wear pants are attacking (for clarification: that is the word of [i]my [/i]choice) their femininity. Like, wearing pants is (for women) against nature. I would like to know what "femininity" is. I mean, I get the general idea, but what is this "femininity" that is being undermined by women when they wear pants?? A woman is still a woman whether she is in pants or skirts. The whole "women wear pants to be like men, to compete with men" doesn't fit in my book, though it may be true for some women. I don't think it is true for most though, not nowadays anyway. ...btw, God created Eve stark naked, no pants or skirt... and He created her because Adam wanted/needed a helpmate. He created her to be exactly what Adam needed. He created her female, with feminine charm...it isn't wrong for men to be attracted to women because of how they look. (again for clarification: I don't think anyone actually said that on here, so I wasn't attacking anyone here) But because of sin, this can get out of order...you know, sins of lust, impurity, etc....

Btw...I think someone on here already said that people "have bigger fish to fry" (or phish to phry if you want to be PM'ish ) than worrying about whether or not women should wear pants. I agree with that. I don't think we should go around judging everyone by what they're wearing. Only God knows each soul.

Also...contraception, abortion, illicit sex, and pornography are much bigger problems than the "problem" of women wearing pants...and the last two of those things, at least, were around LONG before women started wearing pants.

As far as where I personally stand on the issue...I think it's a matter of preference, but of course with modesty in mind. I do not wear skirts everyday, but I have no argument against girls/women who do. I know that it can be (clarification: [b]can be[/b], but it isn't for all women) nicer for women to wear skirts, in terms of making them feel more feminine, things like that... But I have no argument against girls/women who wear pants.

I would like to know if there is anything Pope John Paul II wrote on this particular subject...or just on femininity...

God bless, all!

[Colleen]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:22 PM']

I said I don't wanna be in the kitchen!
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Says the guy who works in a kitchen.

Say, Zachary, dear, are you going to bake cookies for me when I come visit you like you said you would? :

[Anthony]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 17 2006, 06:28 PM']lol. you sounds like one of those liberals. Men and women are different. to display this, they should wear different styles of clothing. Truth stands outside of time.
So bieng modest is now Protestant? [b][color=red]EDIT[/color] [/b]

not tempting people? i bet that is protestant too right?
The Blessed Virgin would not be pleased to hear that! 
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Wow! I am very hurt that somebody would call me liberal. I am actually conservative, but thanks for passing yet another jaded judgement upon somebody whom you do not know. Women should be modest. In fact, it makes me very angry to see somebody who is dressed immodestly. How are jeans immodest, though? I actually see dresses more of a risk factor for immodesty as they can be made so short. Jeans that fit properly on a woman are a lot more modest that some dresses or skirts I see women wear these days. I go to a secular university, so it's all around, don't talk to me about temptation buddy because you have not seen temptation in that respect nearly half as much as someone who has gone to a school where women dress immodestly. What are you 15? I am 22 years old and have seen the kind of girls who dress scandalously, but I have also seen girls who dress very conservatively. Many of the latter are my friends whom I go to Church with, many of whom wear jeans. Do you know what a lot of the prior wear? That's right, dresses and skirts that either show too much cleavage or too much leg and you are going to talk to me about temptation and modesty. You have seen nothing until you have gone to a secular university and had temptation smacking you in your face everyday you step foot on campus and had to say a "Hail Mary" in order to resist tempation. Thank God we have a student parish on campus because I would not survive without God's grace to get me through the day. You have no idea what is immodest until you have seen it. Let me tell you something, if jeans make a modest woman immodest and hanging out with them makes me unchaste, then I am guilty. I suggest you check your definition of modesty again because you are terribly wrong my friend.

Edited April 18, 2006 by Anthony

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Colleen' date='Apr 17 2006, 08:24 PM']Says the guy who works in a kitchen.

Say, Zachary, dear, are you going to bake cookies for me when I come visit you like you said you would? :
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1) I hope you're not actually visiting.
2) I wouldn't bake for you anyways.

Girl = Eve = "Eved" = Slave.

[Colleen]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 09:26 PM']1)  I hope you're not actually visiting.
2)  I wouldn't bake for you anyways.

Girl = Eve = "Eved" = Slave.
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[Birgitta Noel]

[quote name='JesusITrustInYou' date='Apr 17 2006, 08:24 PM']

Btw...I think someone on here already said that people "have bigger fish to fry" (or phish to phry if you want to be PM'ish ) than worrying about whether or not women should wear pants.  I agree with that.  I don't think we should go around judging everyone by what they're wearing.  Only God knows each soul.
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This was my entire point when I quoted Corinthians. EENS is being childish becuase of the imporance he is placing on this issue, not because of his age.

[MilesChristi]

[quote]You have seen nothing until you have gone to a secular university and had temptation smacking you in your face everyday you step foot on campus and had to say a "Hail Mary" in order to resist tempation.[/quote]

Believe me, it's no better at certain "Catholic" universities.

Dresses/skirts definitely do not equal modesty. A chaste, holy woman knows how to conduct herself modestly whether in a dress or jeans. The key factor is not the type of clothing but the heart of the woman.

[MichaelFilo]

Protestants say that some issues are not important and that they really are one despite small differences. Even doctrinal ones, as long as you are saved by Christ.

Thats kinda what that sounded like, but more sensible. Romans Chapter 14 is something everyone in here should read. And then think about this, even though we may disagree on things, this isn't a question of practice, this is a question of is it appropriate (I'd say right or wrong, but I'm not sure if we can elevate this to moral status, unless i were to claim it's cross dressing).

God bless,
Mikey

[JesusITrustInYou]

[quote name='MilesChristi' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:40 PM']Believe me, it's no better at certain "Catholic" universities. 

Dresses/skirts definitely do not equal modesty. A chaste, holy woman knows how to conduct herself modestly whether in a dress or jeans. The key factor is not the type of clothing but the heart of the woman.
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Amen to that! :

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Apr 17 2006, 10:42 PM']Protestants say that some issues are not important and that they really are one despite small differences. Even doctrinal ones, as long as you are saved by Christ.

Thats kinda what that sounded like, but more sensible. Romans Chapter 14 is something everyone in here should read. And then think about this, even though we may disagree on things, this isn't a question of practice, this is a question of is it appropriate (I'd say right or wrong, but I'm not sure if we can elevate this to moral status, unless i were to claim it's cross dressing).

God bless,
Mikey
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Romans 14=awesome chapter!!

[MichaelFilo]

Don't jump the gun, not the key difference between practice, and appropriateness. This is a matter of what is appropriate, and women wearing pants, unless they are doing some real dirty work, ought not be wearing them. Of course, I mean jeans; why can't women dress like women? It's because they hate us, i know it. All I ever wanted was to see women in dresses, and the only person who does it is that pagan girl in school... Catholics are a dissapointment sometimes..

Some people are of the erronous belief that it's not what you wear but what is in your heart that reflects true modesty. Please, allow me to wear a speedo, and then tell me how modest it is. Yes, women who wear those jeans that hug you more so than a loved one would don't realize that it is quite unchaste, and immodest. I'd ask, but I wouldn't expect anyone here to agree, would you mind seeing Mary depicted in the type of pants, even those that go down to your ankles that women wear today? Most tend to stick to your curves. If you have no problem invisioning the perfect example of feminine chastity dressed in that sort of rubbish, then by all means advocate it. I can see her wearing a dress, or a skirt... and don't find it morally offensive to depict her thus.

God bless,
Mikey

[MC IMaGiNaZUN]

I think women in dresses express a beautiful and mysterious aspect of divinity, that is theres by nature.

Women in pants, or who look like men just dont do that.

SHALOM

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Anthony' date='Apr 17 2006, 08:25 PM']Wow!  I am very hurt that somebody would call me liberal.  I am actually conservative, but thanks for passing yet another jaded judgement upon somebody whom you do not know.  Women should be modest.  In fact, it makes me very angry to see somebody who is dressed immodestly.  How are jeans immodest, though?  I actually see dresses more of a risk factor for immodesty as they can be made so short.  Jeans that fit properly on a woman are a lot more modest that some dresses or skirts I see women wear these days.  I go to a secular university, so it's all around, don't talk to me about temptation buddy because you have not seen temptation in that respect nearly half as much as someone who has gone to a school where women dress immodestly.  What are you 15?  I am 22 years old and have seen the kind of girls who dress scandalously, but I have also seen girls who dress very conservatively.  Many of the latter are my friends whom I go to Church with, many of whom wear jeans.  Do you know what a lot of the prior wear?  That's right, dresses and skirts that either show too much cleavage or too much leg and you are going to talk to me about temptation and modesty.  You have seen nothing until you have gone to a secular university and had temptation smacking you in your face everyday you step foot on campus and had to say a "Hail Mary" in order to resist tempation.  Thank God we have a student parish on campus because I would not survive without God's grace to get me through the day.  You have no idea what is immodest until you have seen it.  Let me tell you something, if jeans make a  modest woman immodest and hanging out with them makes me unchaste, then I am guilty.  I suggest you check your definition of modesty again because you are terribly wrong my friend.
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You Think that i live in a wonderful little world without any temptation?

get a clue. you are not the only one who is tempted. come off your high horse.




anyways.....Immodesty is only one of the many arguments. skirts can be immodest, but in many cases jeans can be as well. frankly the argument has more to do with Wether it blurs gender lines, and the traditional role of women in a Catholic Society.


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