Spiritual_Arsonist Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 My beloved PhatMass Phamily, I will be in Chesire, Conneticut with the Legionaries of Christ from December 26-31 for a Discernment week. Please pray that the Holy Spirit is with me. Pray that God will show me which order I will join. :priest: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 I only hear really good things about the Legionaries, and the more I read about them, the more impressed I am. For those of you know who manCHILD of Mars ILL is--he was brought into the Church by the Legionaries this past Easter, and even thanks them on his album cover (Backbreakanomics). I'm actually looking into lay opportunities with the Legionaries through Regnum Christi... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seatbelt Blue Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 I only hear really good things about the Legionaries, and the more I read about them, the more impressed I am. For those of you know who manCHILD of Mars ILL is--he was brought into the Church by the Legionaries this past Easter, and even thanks them on his album cover (Backbreakanomics). I'm actually looking into lay opportunities with the Legionaries through Regnum Christi... DISCLAIMER: I do not necessarily agree with what I follows. You have heard only good things? I've heard a very large nuumber of good things, and an equally large number of horrifyingly scary things. Now, I'm not saying I believe them, but there are a very large number of people out there calling the Legion a dangerous cult which refuses one medical care and contact with the family, that has very little in the way of psychological screening, that uses cult-like behavior to get you to stay if you want to leave, and so on. I neither confirm nor deny these, as I am not a part of the LC. They are, however, enough to get me to look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 24, 2003 Share Posted December 24, 2003 Now, I'm not saying I believe them, but there are a very large number of people out there calling the Legion a dangerous cult which refuses one medical care and contact with the family, that has very little in the way of psychological screening, that uses cult-like behavior to get you to stay if you want to leave, and so on. Who says this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 its well known i have friends who say the same thing, they attended seminary for them out in New Hampshire and they said they controlled every aspect of their life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willguy Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 The Legionaires ROXXOR!!1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hey everyone, For those of you who read my post earlier [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=10583"]What do I say?[/url], I have been warned about the Legionaries and Regnum Christi as well. However, my first hand experience with them has been nothing of the sort! Before joining Regnum Christi, you have to learn all about their organization, what they stand for, what they expect from their members, etc. To do this, I have been reading "Christ is My Life" which is a book of an interview with Fr. Marical Maciel, the founder of the Legionaries and Regnum Christi. I HIGHLY reccommend this book to anyone who wants to know more about them or has heard bad things. In it, he is asked just about any question you could ever think of, including if they are a cult, if they are overly controlling, etc. His answers are very straightforward. I encourage all of you to look to the source before making a judgement about them, hearsay is not a reliable source. From my experience, what happens is a semi-orthodox Catholic has bad experiences with them because they are completely faithful to the teachings of the magisterium and refuse to compromise them. Then, they go tell their other Catholic friends of their bad experiences. Their other Catholic friends do not realize the semi-orthodox nature of the person's beliefs, and then relay the negative message on further. True, the Legionaries are very demanding of their priests. However, this is something that is publicly known. It is not for everyone, and that should be taken into account. If you'd like to get the book, here's a link for buying it cheap! [url="http://www.allbookstores.com/book/compare/1928832970"]Allbookstores.com[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 He also isnt allowed in the United States due to the fact that if he enters he will be arrested for five counts of child molestation cases. On another point he can say what he wants but I have a good friend two doors down from me who was in their seminary in New Hampshire he is still messed up from the formation he received there. He was seriously overcontrolled to the point of his phone convos being tapped, letters being read and opened, etc etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritual_Arsonist Posted April 16, 2004 Author Share Posted April 16, 2004 I have spent extensive time with the Legion and know one of their priests. I encourage all who have questions to instant message me by using my AOL AIM name. Please fell free to contact me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Again read and respond to my previous post please. I dont want to start anything but at the same time i want honest and thought out answers as to why this is happining in their seminaries instead of guys just saying they "rock" because they spent a discernment weekend with them. My friends from Denver said when they recruited them they were very nice men and treated them very well but as soon as they were in the actual seminary it was a pure hell. And again i raise issues of overcontrolling problems etc. I dont have a problem with the legionaries being orthodox etc I myself am very orthodox. BUT I do have a problem with how they form their men. It is psychologically unhealthy. Please address my concerns Vianney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 [quote name='vianney' date='Apr 16 2004, 10:54 AM'] He was seriously overcontrolled to the point of his phone convos being tapped, letters being read and opened, etc etc [/quote] I don't see anything wrong with this. I'm sure it's not for everyone, but with [b]complete[/b] submission and obedience comes great rewards. Besides these claims, you've not given any specifics as to how the Legionnaires are harmful. It does sound like hearsay. It also sounds like the exact same things people criticize Opus Dei for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 Please read and explore this site: [url="http://www.legionaryfacts.org"]http://www.legionaryfacts.org[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 I know people who had great experiences with LoC and people who had less good experiences. Of the people I know who had bad experiences, I wouldn't use the word "controlling" necessarily, but for lack of a better word, the atmosphere was too "controlling" for them to remain there, they felt that they were not being allowed the ability to discern if they were indeed called to join by God or if they were being pressurred into it. I don't have the full story on why they didn't like it--I have a brother in law who went to the Legionaries for high school and a sister in law who went to Regnum Christi for HS and neither of them recommend it. I also know other people who have joined and are extremely happy there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 [quote name='vianney' date='Apr 16 2004, 10:54 AM'] He was seriously overcontrolled to the point of his phone convos being tapped, letters being read and opened, etc etc [/quote] As for this... the phone conversations being tapped... that would freak me out, but I think its quite normal to have your letters opened and/or shared with the community. My good friend is in a convent where they share all their mail. The sisters there take great joy in sharing their family news with everyone. I know they all love when I send pictures of Adrienne. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted April 16, 2004 Share Posted April 16, 2004 they were forced to have their letters opened and read and all letters sent out read they didnt have a choice. Dust; You can obtain a spirit of obedience while at the same time having individual freedom to grow as a healthy humanbeing. It is UNHEALTHY to do what they do. They are not able to eat ANY food with silverwear all men must use forks to cut grapes and bannanas and if they refuse they are punished. Trust me it isnt hersay my friends would lie about their experiences and I was once recruited by LoC and they are deceptive. They dont tell you how controlling the enviro will be until you actually get there. They put on a good face to get you in there and once they do it is hell. I have no problem with obedience and discipline but I also know there is a line that needs to be drawn and the LoC cross it. You may have your own opinion about it or what not but I also know that my Bishop wouldnt allow them to eneter our diocese. They were kicked out so to speak and I have heard the same for a number of other dioceses. I dont know what else you want me to tell you. I think that at the core it is a good order but their formation methods are whacked out. I think that I of all ppl should be able to comment on this considering I am in formation in seminary and know what needs to be done to form a man. My rector also agrees who has had years and years and years of experience in the formation of men. Im not blowing smoke around to piss ppl off or start a fight. If you disagree with me that is fine but dont tell me that what I am saying is unfounded because I cant give you documents. Even Spiritual Arsonist in a private PM convo agreed with me as to why he wont post publically I dont know. I know some who have gone and liked it and some who have gone that are now getting pyschological help because they are so messed up. Dont tell me what I am saying is unfounded their formation methods are UNHEALTHY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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