Tink Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [color=#58aa1f][b]You all make me sick. I will continue to pray for you, that you might learn in your hearts what TRUE charity is because all this division is the work of the devil and you are entertaining it and inciting it.[/b][/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='Tink' date='Apr 16 2006, 06:26 PM'][color=#58aa1f][b]You all make me sick. I will continue to pray for you, that you might learn in your hearts what TRUE charity is because all this division is the work of the devil and you are entertaining it and inciting it.[/b][/color] [right][snapback]949704[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Let us not make you sick, but I share you sentiments. Thanks for calling us on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='sam']yup thats me. im starving for attention! why don't you love me? sadder.gif [sarcasm] you should come up with something better than insulting me with lies. I hope you know that its a mortal sin.... lol.gif Neo-Catholicism. Find me a council or a saint BEFORE vatican II that said the Jews were not cursed.[/quote] Can you find me one before Vatican II that says they were cursed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 07:29 PM'][quote name='sam']yup thats me. im starving for attention! why don't you love me? sadder.gif [sarcasm] you should come up with something better than insulting me with lies. I hope you know that its a mortal sin.... lol.gif Neo-Catholicism. Find me a council or a saint BEFORE vatican II that said the Jews were not cursed.[/quote] Can you find me one before Vatican II that says they were cursed? [right][snapback]949709[/snapback][/right] [/quote] a saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Nope, it's gotta be the council first. : I might go for a Pope, but Pope Gregory VII or something near there said something about the Moslems so it might cancel out... Last, I'll go for a Saint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='Tink' date='Apr 16 2006, 06:26 PM'][color=#58aa1f][b]You all make me sick. I will continue to pray for you, that you might learn in your hearts what TRUE charity is because all this division is the work of the devil and you are entertaining it and inciting it.[/b][/color] [right][snapback]949704[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm sorry Tink, I had a weak moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 07:33 PM']Nope, it's gotta be the council first. : I might go for a Pope, but Pope Gregory VII or something near there said something about the Moslems so it might cancel out... Last, I'll go for a Saint. [right][snapback]949716[/snapback][/right] [/quote] 7th century: bullet The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain in 694 CE defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other church fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their collective responsibility for the death of Jesus. 3 its local but its still a council 13th century: bullet Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris in 1200 CE that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..." In an epistle to the Count of Nevers, he wrote: "....the Jews, against whom the blood of Christ calls out, although they ought not to be killed, nevertheless, as wanderers they must remain upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ." Pope Innocent IV (1432 - 1492): "...strictly forbidding that Jews henceforth have Christian nurses or servants, that the sons of a free woman may not serve the sons of a bondswoman, but as slaves condemned by the Lord, whose death they wickedly plotted, they at least outwardly recognize themselves as slaves of those whom the death of Christ made free and themselves slaves." St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori (1696 - 1787): "Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads in saying: 'His blood be on us and our children'; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the end of time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood." Liguori was referring to Matthew 27:21-25 which describes an alleged interchange between Pilate, the Roman Procurator of Palestine and Phoenicia, and a Jewish mob. These verses are probably responsible for more loss of Jewish life than any other passage in the Bible: Matthew 27:21-25: "The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." King James Version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 If you got that from the site I'm thinking of, that's odd. Also, since you're using the first local council, I just want you to know its sole authority rests on the Saints it borrows from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 relegious tolerance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yep! : You also quoted it on the other site and the guy who posted after you is incorrect about Trent as far as I can tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 08:00 PM']Yep! : You also quoted it on the other site and the guy who posted after you is incorrect about Trent as far as I can tell... [right][snapback]949765[/snapback][/right] [/quote] which one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Hmm, starts with an H perhaps and has about five letters? I'm not sure.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 yes. he was wrong. he used the roman Catechism to say that trent dogmatically defined something! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Che strange that forum. Anyways, as of yet you have still to prove the Church taught it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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