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[amandaplus5]

[quote]That attitude is sort of why priests who fooled around were able to get away with it. No offense, but they are somewhat accountable to us despite their position of leadership.
Here's the main problem with your statement. Precedent has been set with the Cardinal, he does not respond to questions about things like this with a dialogue. There is no option here. Don't you think the Vatican is well aware of what's going on? How many hundreds have written letters? The Cardinal is a Prince of the Church, you can't just demote him. He might be transferred, but then he might spread his damaging views to another place. Who really knows? Further, the collegiality of the Church is such that the pope may be entirely unwilling to tell this bishop how to run his own diocese.

It's not a sin to expect Catholicism from our leaders and to use our educated minds to point out when they flagrantly disgregard norms and legitimate practice.

His position came with some built-in respect, and things like this lessen it.[/quote]

Exactly.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 17 2006, 07:13 AM']That attitude is sort of why priests who fooled around were able to get away with it.  No offense, but they are somewhat accountable to us despite their position of leadership.

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Great post. I think that your sentiments are layed out quite clearly in Redemptionis Sacramentum. Here are some clips (bolds are mine):
[quote][12.] On the contrary, it is the [b]right [/b]of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes, according to her stipulations as prescribed in the liturgical books and in the other laws and norms. Likewise, the Catholic people have the right that the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be celebrated for them in an integral manner, according to the entire doctrine of the Church’s Magisterium. Finally, it is the Catholic community’s right that the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist should be carried out for it in such a manner that it truly stands out as a sacrament of unity, to the exclusion of all blemishes and actions that might engender divisions and factions in the Church.

[24.] It is the [b]right [/b]of the Christian people themselves that their diocesan Bishop should take care to prevent the occurrence of abuses in ecclesiastical discipline, especially as regards the ministry of the word, the celebration of the sacraments and sacramentals, the worship of God and devotion to the Saints.

[57.] It is the [b]right [/b]of the community of Christ’s faithful that especially in the Sunday celebration there should customarily be true and suitable sacred music, and that there should always be an altar, vestments and sacred linens that are dignified, proper, and clean, in accordance with the norms.

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the [b]right [/b]to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

[186.] Let each one of the sacred ministers ask himself, even with severity, whether he has respected the [b]rights [/b]of the lay members of Christ’s faithful, who confidently entrust themselves and their children to him, relying on him to fulfill for the faithful those sacred functions that the Church intends to carry out in celebrating the sacred Liturgy at Christ’s command.  For each one should always remember that he is a servant of the Sacred Liturgy.[/quote]
It is the Church (specifically, the CDW) that tells us that laymen have a right to play an active role in removing abuses from the liturgy.

[qfnol31]

Huh, so we kinda do have a right to say how the Mass is, I guess.

This is good news for me.

[Church Punk]

LA is the city of actors. I believe the Greek word for actors is Hypocrites.