missionseeker Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Motu Proprio [quote]Through the intercession of Mary Most Holy, Mother of Christ and Mother of the Church, may everyone who reads this authoritative text recognize and embrace ever more fully the inexhaustable beauty, uniqueness and significance of the incomparable Gift which God has made to the human race in His only Son, Jesus Christ, the "Way, the Truth, and the Life" [/quote] Pope Benedict XVI My question is do you accept this statement (Mainly, the word "authoritative"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 If your asking do I believe I can go to Mary to learn more about Christ then absolutely. If you are asking whether that word signifies that the new catechism is infallible then I don't know. I don't know whether it is to be considered infallible or not. I hope not. But I don't know the answer to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 [quote name='missionseeker' date='Apr 12 2006, 12:54 AM']From the Compendium of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, Motu Proprio Pope Benedict XVI My question is do you accept this statement (Mainly, the word "authoritative"? [right][snapback]944412[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yep, the Catechism is authoriative. It is an extension of Vatican Council II, as laid out in the declaration of the Catechism. The Catechism holds the same weight as the 1983 CIC. I spoke to this before, so I would implore you to do a search and see what I have had to say on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 12, 2006 Share Posted April 12, 2006 Would you say the Catechism of Trent is infallable since it's an extention of Trent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 12 2006, 05:11 PM']Would you say the Catechism of Trent is infallable since it's an extention of Trent? [right][snapback]945082[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I would say that it is authoritative because it is an extention of the Council of Trent. However, there have been doctrinal development and dogmatic development since the Council of Trent. I believe that the Catechism of the Catholic Church is more authoritative, because it is more up to date and more current with accepted Church teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted April 13, 2006 Author Share Posted April 13, 2006 [quote name='goldenchild17' date='Apr 11 2006, 11:58 PM']If your asking do I believe I can go to Mary to learn more about Christ then absolutely. If you are asking whether that word signifies that the new catechism is infallible then I don't know. I don't know whether it is to be considered infallible or not. I hope not. But I don't know the answer to that. [right][snapback]944481[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sorry. I wasn't that clear. I want to know if the people who call themselves "Trads" (SSPXers) accept that tthe Compendium is authoritative. I'm asking because from what they've written here, they don't accept the Catechism as authoritative. BUT they say that they accept Pope Benedict as pope and he's the one who wrote that. Cam, [i]I[/i] know the CCCC is authoritative and all. I just want to find out how SSPXers reconcile the two statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted April 13, 2006 Share Posted April 13, 2006 [quote name='missionseeker' date='Apr 12 2006, 07:51 PM']Sorry. I wasn't that clear. I want to know if the people who call themselves "Trads" (SSPXers) accept that tthe Compendium is authoritative. I'm asking because from what they've written here, they don't accept the Catechism as authoritative. BUT they say that they accept Pope Benedict as pope and he's the one who wrote that. Cam, [i]I[/i] know the CCCC is authoritative and all. I just want to find out how SSPXers reconcile the two statements. [right][snapback]945501[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh okay I see now. I do see inconsistency in the views of the SSPX. As you say, if they consider the CCC to be heretical then they shouldn't accept the Pope either. I don't consider the CCC to be authoritative and believe it has some heretical issues(maybe) and thus am not sure I accept the Pope as Pope right now. That would be my answer to the question, though I'm not SSPX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted April 17, 2006 Author Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='goldenchild17' date='Apr 12 2006, 11:51 PM']Oh okay I see now. I do see inconsistency in the views of the SSPX. As you say, if they consider the CCC to be heretical then they shouldn't accept the Pope either. I don't consider the CCC to be authoritative and believe it has some heretical issues(maybe) and thus am not sure I accept the Pope as Pope right now. That would be my answer to the question, though I'm not SSPX. [right][snapback]945780[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sorry. Is that your answer or are saying that if thought one or the other you would say that? I think it's correct to say that it is not in itself considered infallible, but a compilation of all the teachings of the Church. And THOSE are infalible. If I am wrong, someone tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Just remember missionseeker, GoldenChild is a sede and does not rep the Church Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 There are some not infallible truths in the Catechism. As long as they are of faith and morals we must obey them. There are some non-teachings too that don't have much to do with faith or morals (though very, very rare). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ardillacid Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 11:08 PM']There are some [b]not infallible truths[/b] in the Catechism. [right][snapback]950282[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Truth is always infallible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Yes, I realize that. Anyways, I guess I should have said there are some not infallible teachings. They may or may not be truths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goldenchild17 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='missionseeker' date='Apr 16 2006, 08:42 PM']Sorry. Is that your answer or are saying that if thought one or the other you would say that?[right][snapback]950084[/snapback][/right] [/quote] At this point, that is how I see things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspen2005 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='goldenchild17' date='Apr 11 2006, 11:58 PM']If your asking do I believe I can go to Mary to learn more about Christ then absolutely. If you are asking whether that word signifies that the new catechism is infallible then I don't know. I don't know whether it is to be considered infallible or not. I hope not. But I don't know the answer to that. [right][snapback]944481[/snapback][/right] [/quote] what's wrong w/ the Catechism? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dspen2005 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='goldenchild17' date='Apr 12 2006, 11:51 PM']Oh okay I see now. I do see inconsistency in the views of the SSPX. As you say, if they consider the CCC to be heretical then they shouldn't accept the Pope either. I don't consider the CCC to be authoritative and believe it has some heretical issues(maybe) and thus am not sure I accept the Pope as Pope right now. That would be my answer to the question, though I'm not SSPX. [right][snapback]945780[/snapback][/right] [/quote] if you aren't sure that the Pope is Pope, then I suggest that the 'Church Militant' designation be removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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