Resurrexi Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 don't you mean coronated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 9 2006, 11:35 PM']I dislike anti-Pope Pius XIII greatly for he stole my future Papal name and bastardized it. [right][snapback]941694[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Only humble men have even the slightest chance of becoming Pope. Anyone who shows even a hint of desire will not be chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zunshynn Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 Okay here's the thing EENs, you just said [quote]my belief is different protestants because i believe that Benedict XVI is the Vicar of Christ on Earth. I am part of the same church as you. Trads do not reject the Magesterium of the church. Just the novelties taught becasue of the "spirit of Vatican II" [/quote] The MAGISTERIUM is the TEACHING OFFICE of the Catholic Church. The Magisterium consists of the Pope and the bishops in union with him. The Magisterium cannot "teach novelties." That whole thing Jesus promised about the Gates of Hell not prevailing against it, yes? Are you seeing the oxymoron yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 10:03 PM']oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy. [right][snapback]942847[/snapback][/right] [/quote] There is a difference between a fantasy and actually desiring. it. Yes, I think it would be really cool to be Pope. However, I would not actually want to be Pope. Too difficult of a job, plus I am a very insufficient tool for God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balthazor Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 08:02 PM']don't you mean coronated? [right][snapback]942845[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No, I mean inaugarated... I am a girl. I can not entertain fantasies about becoming Pope. And I will not entertain such foolish thoughts. I also will never be coronated because I do not dream or getting married to royalty. I can however dream of becoming president of the US or being elected to public office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Apr 10 2006, 11:02 PM']Only humble men have even the slightest chance of becoming Pope. Anyone who shows even a hint of desire will not be chosen. [right][snapback]942846[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You underestimate curial politics. : But he's an American. How many Popes will there be before he dies? MAYBE 5, and that's being generous. I don't see the Papacy going to an American anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Apr 10 2006, 11:03 PM']oh, come on. It's every unmarried male Catholic's fantasy. [right][snapback]942847[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Nope, not mine. I have never once wondered what it would like to be Pope. I don't have that kind of spiritual fortitude, nor am I even remotely holy or smart enough to be able to accomplish that. I have never wanted to be Pope. I have only wanted to fulfill my vocation. That is up to God, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 It freaks me out to even be within 100 yards of the Pope. I go into tears, fearing for his soul, and mine, and all those who watch him. Being the Pope has so much responsiblity that I am stunned writing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 I think that StThomasMoore is a troll that is purposely making both traditional Catholics and even sedevacents look bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 wow, that's cold, Theotokos Of course I wouldnt make a very good pope I'm too stubborn and I dont listen to other peoples opinions, but I would at least try to end this cricis. And really, it would be kind of cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MilesChristi Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Apr 11 2006, 12:19 AM'] Being the Pope has so much responsiblity that I am stunned writing about it. [right][snapback]942977[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yep, I can understand why the room where a newly elected pope vests himself is called the Room of Tears. We should never let a day pass without praying for the Holy Father. The weight of the world is upon his shoulders. It's a job I would never want. I can't even properly govern myself, much less the Church throughout the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 (edited) [quote]I'm not a trad, but I can tell you that there are lots of different kinds of trads. Asking what the trads believe is kind of like asking what the protestants believe. Some merely believe that the T rite is far superior and should not have been replaced; some believe that VII was a wholly legitimate council that brought about a time of great disaster, through the documents did not call for the changes that followed it; some believe that VII was invalid or at least has no authority (since it was a pastoral council and did not make any infallible decisions). These trads are not schismatic and they accept the pope, they just think that things have gone horribly wrong and the Church is in a period of great darkness (or something). Then there are trads who say that either John XXIII or Paul VI (but usually John XXIII) was heretical and therefore not really pope, so there is no pope. Some of the really weird sede-vacantists have elected popes in various strange fashions. There's also a theory that some other cardinal (I forget who) was legitimately elected instead of John XXIII and Paul VI (etc, until that cardinal died), and so he was the real, non-heretical pope, but of course it was all hushed up. Most of the trads I've met heartily disapprove of the post-Puis XII popes, VII, and the pauline mass, but accept their legitimacy. Often they go to SSPX masses not because they are in schism, but because they feel that at a NO mass they'd face spiritual dangers they'd rather avoid, as well as not receiving adequate spiritual guidance (they often talk of a diminished sense of sin among non-SSPX priests). Sometimes you meet a really weird 'trad' who is more in reaction than anything else. The person's faith is immature, and he will often hold positions incompatible with Catholism. Other trads won't know whether to disown him or embrace him as one of their own. Anyway, that's from what I've seen of trads on the net. One last (very subjective) observation is that they tend to be focussed more on negatives, as though their religion is one of saying 'no' to evil and abuses, rather than saying 'yes' to God (which implies saying 'no' to evil, but it's a different mentality). [/quote] Maria: EXCELLENT! Like listening to a great double album, you hit everything on the head, bless your (non Trad) heart. Seriously, that's a gift to be able to understand/explain what one is NOT. If you don't go for public office, consider medicine...you could understand what it's like for the patient...the knowledge how to treat would follow. And I reckon you'd also make a great mom. Edited April 11, 2006 by Donna Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 [quote]"Are you able to drink the cup that I am to drink?" [/quote] Hey Prose. So the Trad would say/think [i]chalice[/i], not cup, for one. And would mean [i]chalice,[/i] because the cup is ordinary, but the chalice is set apart and consecrated. And royal, Godly, fitting - like something a priest would use. And ya don't want to think of just some cup as holding the Body/Blood of our Lord, nor that the sacrifice God the Father calls for from God the Son ("chalice") is ordinary like a cup. Some think these things are picky, but they matter and all add up. Have your questions been answered on things? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted April 11, 2006 Share Posted April 11, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Donna' date='Apr 11 2006, 03:36 AM']Hey Prose. So the Trad would say/think [i]chalice[/i], not cup, for one. And would mean [i]chalice,[/i] because the cup is ordinary, but the chalice is set apart and consecrated. And royal, Godly, fitting - like something a priest would use. And ya don't want to think of just some cup as holding the Body/Blood of our Lord, nor that the sacrifice God the Father calls for from God the Son ("chalice") is ordinary like a cup. Some think these things are picky, but they matter and all add up. Have your questions been answered on things? [right][snapback]943140[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That was me, not Prose. Thank you for the textual analysis, although it really has nothing to do with my post. I was simply recalling Our Lord's words to the sons of Zebedee when they asked to sit on his right and on his left. It's all well and good that Thomas wants to become Pope; so long as he is willing to drink the CUP that Our Lord drank. You are certainly free to use whatever word you want. Cup and chalice mean basically the same thing, however. While "chalice" does imply something more regal, "cup" is a generic term for something which holds liquid; it can be a chalice, although it doesn't have to be. I am content to use cup. For the record, the dictionary defintion of "chalice": [quote]A cup or goblet. [/quote] Edited April 11, 2006 by Era Might Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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