Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='CCC #2095']The theological virtues of faith, hope, and charity inform and give life to the moral virtues. Thus charity leads us to render to God what we as creatures owe him in all justice. The virtue of religion disposes us to have this attitude.[/quote] They are of the same sinful mentality. If you can't see this, then you need to do some further study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 So your opinion in the discussion I was trying to further is that they should be treated the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 10:39 PM']So your opinion in the discussion I was trying to further is that they should be treated the same? [right][snapback]949873[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Did I say that? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Ahh, what is your opinion on that? It's where I was trying to go in here since it was brought up and kinda dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 10:45 PM']Ahh, what is your opinion on that? It's where I was trying to go in here since it was brought up and kinda dismissed. [right][snapback]949904[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I already addressed that.....please listen to what I am saying. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 If you said it earlier, sorry...I didn't read that far. I was just struck and kinda disturbed by the statement at the top of this page. Would you please mind showing me where you said what you did? I don't see it in these last few posts...and I may just be overlooking it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 post #114. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='Cam42' date='Apr 16 2006, 09:05 PM']post #114. [right][snapback]949961[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote]That makes it heretical. And heresy is dangerous. It is not a subjective notion. Your question is asking my opinion, I have none. I know what the Church teaches and I assent to that.[/quote] Danke...so what does the Church say on how they should be treated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 16 2006, 11:07 PM']Danke...so what does the Church say on how they should be treated? [right][snapback]949967[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They are both sins against faith....both are a matter of doctrine. Both hold the same weight. Both are sins against faith. They should be treated as mortal sins. They both require absolution. Heresy, being a deadly poison generated within the organism of the Church, must be ejected if she is to live and perform her task of continuing Christ's work of salvation. Schism, resting on human authority, presented from the beginning, in the face of Catholic unity of faith, an aspect of dreary dissension. Both speak of unity and a lack thereof. They hold the same weight, unless of course you'd like to show how that is not the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 I guess I should say, how do you think the people in both of those categories be treated by people such as those on the phorum? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 01:07 AM']I guess I should say, how do you think the people in both of those categories be treated by people such as those on the phorum? [right][snapback]950280[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They should be treated with human dignity and properly catechized according to the mortal sin in which they are guilty of. However, it is not up to me or anyone else to decide what is a mortal sin, UNLESS it is painfully obvious that one ascribes to and promotes (in this case) heresy or a schismatic attitude. Now, how about answering my proposition in post #129, Zach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 What proposition do you want me to answer? All I was trying to discuss here is why the supporters of SSPX are treated worse than any Protestants I know. That's all we're discussing right now. [quote]Both speak of unity and a lack thereof. They hold the same weight, unless of course you'd like to show how that is not the case.[/quote] I really don't want to because that's not my place, but I do wonder why it is that you think that they are the same...since the Church says it, could you show me where please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 12:13 PM']What proposition do you want me to answer? All I was trying to discuss here is why the supporters of SSPX are treated worse than any Protestants I know. That's all we're discussing right now. I really don't want to because that's not my place, but I do wonder why it is that you think that they are the same...since the Church says it, could you show me where please? [right][snapback]950518[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Dodgy...dodgy....nice non answer.... I will not answer anymore of your questions until you answer the proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 Cam, what of the proposition do you want me to answer? I would be lying if I gave an answer because I don't have an opinion between them. You on the other hand seem to have believe something (even if it is in alignment with the Church, it still counts as what you believe). If you do believe what the Church believes, why not say it so that people like myself without an opinion (not formed because we have not had a good opportunity to learn about it) may learn, rather than force something I don't believe out of me before you are willing to give a response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 17, 2006 Share Posted April 17, 2006 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Apr 17 2006, 12:51 PM']Cam, what of the proposition do you want me to answer? I would be lying if I gave an answer because I don't have an opinion between them. You on the other hand seem to have believe something (even if it is in alignment with the Church, it still counts as what you believe). If you do believe what the Church believes, why not say it so that people like myself without an opinion (not formed because we have not had a good opportunity to learn about it) may learn, rather than force something I don't believe out of me before you are willing to give a response? [right][snapback]950555[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I want you answer it all....I can't have a discussion, by myself. I have answered your questions, please answer my proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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