curtins Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 ok so my parish has a "kids mass" every sunday where basically they have youth be lectors, ushers, and Eucharistic ministers (must be confirmed to do the later), and alot of little kids come to this mass. The thing is during the homily our priest invites all the kids up to sit on the alter while he gives a homily to them. Then during the concecration, he again invites all the kids up to the alter. Isn't this liturgical abuse? In the past I had been an usher at this mass and just sent in my "aplication" to continue ushering at this mass, but if those are liturgical abuses, then should I not particiapte in it? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 (edited) I guess I have to admit I agree with what a long time orthodox DRE said today. "Your priest has to answer for the salvation of the souls of his parish and he is facing the fire of hell. Follow your priest and be obedient to him, even if you think he is wrong, unless it leads you into sin." Edited April 2, 2006 by Brother Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted April 2, 2006 Author Share Posted April 2, 2006 but all faithful have an obligation to work to correct liturgical abuses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='curtins' date='Apr 1 2006, 10:32 PM']but all faithful have an obligation to work to correct liturgical abuses [right][snapback]932798[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 See...here's the thing - NO ONE HERE has a higher authority in your parish than your PRIEST. If you're so "concerned", go to him. I think you may have just posted this because you're looking for others to validate your "concern". Aren't there other things you can do with your time? Pray, read a book, hang out with some friends, better yet - get involved with some sort of ministry @ your parish. All of these are more productive than coming on a message board and asking if your priest is "doing it right". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charms717RM1 Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='curtins' date='Apr 1 2006, 10:32 PM']but all faithful have an obligation to work to correct liturgical abuses [right][snapback]932798[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes,this is true. Correct me If I am mistaken, but from what your initial post said- you are not proposing to correct liturgical abuses, but to not participate in what you think may be liturgical abuse. I second Brother Adam's advice that you should be obedient to your pastor. However, if you truly feel that there is an abuse, I would reccomend that you make an effort to talk with the pastor one-on-one to express your concerns and to allow him to explain his actions. If this does not alleviate your concerns, you should go through appropriate channels to express them. I think that if he has kids sitting on the altar, then there is something fishy going on. But to simply decide not to participate in the mass does nothing to correct the suspected liturgical abuse, nor does not taking this up with your pastor and his superiors if necessary. good luck and God Bless, Keith Edited April 2, 2006 by Charms717RM1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='inDEED' date='Apr 1 2006, 10:47 PM']See...here's the thing - NO ONE HERE has a higher authority in your parish than your PRIEST. If you're so "concerned", go to him. I think you may have just posted this because you're looking for others to validate your "concern". Aren't there other things you can do with your time? Pray, read a book, hang out with some friends, better yet - get involved with some sort of ministry @ your parish. All of these are more productive than coming on a message board and asking if your priest is "doing it right". [right][snapback]932821[/snapback][/right] [/quote] So according to you, we're supposed to turn a blind eye to liturgical abuse? Wrong! We're supposed to give priests the utmost respect, but sometimes respect means fraternal correction (albeit not in a confrontational, hostile way). And what Curtins' priest has been doing violates many rubrics. The Mass belongs to the Church; it is NOT the priest's personal possession that he may do with as he pleases. And you're way out of line, acting so condescending to Curtins and brushing off his concerns as trivial and insinuating he has too much time on his hands and wants "validation." It's rather judgmental on your part. Didn't you say your user name, which is inDEED, comes from the Bible passage "Let us love not in word but in deed and truth"? Well then practice what you preach -- with Curtins AND with everyone else on this phorum (including me)! Edited April 2, 2006 by Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='curtins' date='Apr 1 2006, 10:13 PM']ok so my parish has a "kids mass" every sunday where basically they have youth be lectors, ushers, and Eucharistic ministers (must be confirmed to do the later), and alot of little kids come to this mass. The thing is during the homily our priest invites all the kids up to sit on the alter while he gives a homily to them. Then during the concecration, he again invites all the kids up to the alter. Isn't this liturgical abuse? In the past I had been an usher at this mass and just sent in my "aplication" to continue ushering at this mass, but if those are liturgical abuses, then should I not particiapte in it? thanks [right][snapback]932771[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Are there not documents pertaining to a childrens mass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 OR he can do a simple search on this topic that's been REHASHED, DEBATED, and SCRUTINIZED OVER HUNDREDS OF TIMES! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote]So according to you, we're supposed to turn a blind eye to liturgical abuse? [/quote] No, you are suppose to pray. [quote]Wrong! We're supposed to give priests the utmost respect, but sometimes respect means fraternal correction (albeit not in a confrontational, hostile way).[/quote] Unless you are a bishop or his spiritual director it is not your place to correct a priest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='Dave' date='Apr 1 2006, 10:20 PM']And you're way out of line, acting so condescending to Curtins and brushing off his concerns as trivial and insinuating he has too much time on his hands and wants "validation." It's rather judgmental on your part. Didn't you say your user name, which is inDEED, comes from the Bible passage "Let us love not in word but in deed and truth"? Well then practice what you preach -- with Curtins AND with everyone else on this phorum (including me)! [right][snapback]932913[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Not way outta line...Just a man speaking his mind... If you want to ignore what I'm sayin' on the forum - please do. The option is fairly simple to reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Brother Adam has it right... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:24 PM']No, you are suppose to pray. Unless you are a bishop or his spiritual director it is not your place to correct a priest. [right][snapback]932923[/snapback][/right] [/quote] But you can ask him for clarification of something going on in the parish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:29 PM']But you can ask him for clarification of something going on in the parish. [right][snapback]932937[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, but we don't faternally correct them. I don't think most people understand what priests go through on a daily basis, their pastoral concerns for the salvation of souls typically outweigh concerns of parishoners holding hands and such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 His question concerned "correction", not "clarification". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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