DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 A dear friend died on the day of his 22 birthday. He was my brothers best friend and a wonderful friend to our whole family. Our families were friends, we went to school together, we played together, he was the most perfect example of a "saint in the making" i had ever seen. He died in a horrible car accident. His family didn't ask questions. They didn't get angry at God. They prayed and cried and said over and over, "Thank God for Marcus" "Thank God for his time he had with us". I was such in awe and completely humbled by thier response to this tradegy not because they had so much love for thier son, and brother, but thier LOVE for GOD was WAY above that. Sure we cried, sure we mourned, but we hope that we will see him again. We remember him, we are reminded of him, but trust in God, complete trust in God is what will get us through the tough times. I didn't know what exactly that was until I saw this family react. I pray that I can come in total submission to whatever happens down the road, ultimatley following the Blessed Mothers example. Thank you for sharing... :sadder: ....sometimes when people post things that just want to make you cry and get off, never to return, others such as yourself are a Presence and make you realize why you've come.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmjtina Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 ****BIG HUGS******* Desiring More :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 ****BIG HUGS******* Desiring More :wub: :wub: :wub: :wub: thanks for the love of Christ that you've shown :wub: ..... seeing the love of Christ through others puts a song in my heart... ......and a smile to my face :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 Okay, do you believe God knows all?? if so, He knows when you will be born and when you will die...so, why if God is such a loving God do people die on holidays? or in car accidents...or massive heartattacks unexpectantly...If he is all powerful and controls all things that happen or allows all things to happen, then why would He let such things happen????....i bring this because many people have asked this...so, i'm asking your thoughts on it.... Age-old questions that will be asked until the end of time. Two things to consider: 1) Although God knows all, He also gave us free will, so many of the things we attribute to God really should NOT be attributable to God, but to the actions of man. 2) Death and suffering are consequences of the Fall. Oh, BTW, beng....just wait until you have a time of trauma...someone may give you a dose of your own medicine, and you'll know how it feels for someone to come off like a complete jerk to you, and you'll think twice about saying what you said again. Or if you have some "battle scars", so to speak, that you think entitles you to be such a hard-nose, please share them with us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 DM, I don't think we will ever be able to understand why things happen the way they do. Jmjtina, I desire to have that trust in God that your friends parents do. When I started asking questions about the death of people close to me, my first questoin was why. I asked it over and over and over again. And I felt i had no response. Well I had no response that i could see. I became angry at God. I have became angry at myself for being angry at God. With time I have became less and less angry at God, but i still don't trust Him. I want to trust Him with all of my heart, but I still don't trust my self. Beng, I don't belive her comments were that of a spoiled child. I believe that was the comment of a child of God yearning for knowledge, yearning for Him. Thank you Sallycat.... it is hard to trust when things seem so uncertain, unanswered, confusing...i've been angry at myself for questioning so much and not understand such things as death, yet the questions bring me closer to Christ, the make me desire more from life, they allow me to see Jesus clearly in others.... it is hard to trust God when you do not trust yourself...been there done that...it is hard to trust God when you feel sometimes you cannot trust others around you... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 ...been there done that... How do you begin trusting again? I sometimes feel so lost as to not fnd the way back, but thankfully each time I feel that way I see Christ and feel a sort of belonging to one place or another wherever it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 That's a very good question, DesiringMore. It's very significant and can't be answered easily. Digging deeper and deeper into the answer brings us closer to God. The superficial (and correct answer from the Apologetic books I've read) is that God allows these tragedies to happen for various reasons: 1.) ORIGINAL SIN - The World is disordered because Sin and Evil was introduced by Adam and Eve's falling to Temptation. 2.) FREE WILL - God grants humanity the dignity of having our actions really affect things, both for good and bad. Because we're imperfect humans, sometimes others suffer because of our sins beyond our intent. Because God love's us, sometimes others benefit greatly from some small act of kindness and charity beyond our wildest dreams. Despite what some have posted here, God does not intend nor wills us to suffer Tragedy. Our suffering is from 1 or 2 above, but God always (and I mean absolutely always as only God can always do) provides some grace or blessing out of every jot or bit of suffering and sacrifice we endure. That's what the phrase "tears turned into dancing" means in one of the Psalms. God's plan is for us to be loved by Him, and He never abandons or tortures us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 How do you begin trusting again? That is a good question...maybe an easy one to answer for some but hard to do!!! this past year i was hurt by a best friend so deeply that i swore i would never trust again...yet when i prayed about it and asked God to show me why i should trust anyone ever again...two things came to me...#1 Trust God with everything because He loves you so much that He gave His only son for you #2when you don't trust, when you don't allow others to love you and gain your trust, YOU are the one that loses out on the gifts God has in that relationship....You are the one that misses out... Let Go and Let God--so easily said, but so hard to do...Trust Him!!! when i began to trust, open my heart to others, and allow others to love, the blessings and gifts of friendships poured into my life like a unending river, why, because God's love is unending!! why, because I need others in my life!! i need the love of Christ, in the flesh, by others showing me such a love as His...I need to see the Presence of Christ in others...but if i never open my heart to trust someone enough to see this, can i really see such a thing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 I know it's wrong but I don't trust others because I am afraid to get hurt. Well I sort fo take that back. I could say I have been trusting a group of people or a select number of people in that group and I hope to trust more. Trusting is so hard because it makes you vulnerable. Right now I feel vulnerable because I am opening myself up to you and this Phatmass Phamily, But I know or I hope that it will benefit me and I hope I might in soem way be able to help someone else. Trusting IS so hard. I want I desire to trust Christ and I pray that I can, but there is a roadblock and I can't seem to discover what that roadblock is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 Yes, when you open yourself up to others you are vulnerable....i always seem to ask myself if the vulnerability and the fear of getting hurt is worth the gift God gives and blesses my life with....when i am vulnerable blessings seem to be abundant...i will definitely put you on my list of people that i pray for Sallycat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 Thank you jasjis for your response...very enlightening... "Never will i leave you; never will i forsake you" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 Right now I feel vulnerable because I am opening myself up to you and this Phatmass Phamily, But I know or I hope that it will benefit me and I hope I might in soem way be able to help someone else. Trusting IS so hard. I want I desire to trust Christ and I pray that I can, but there is a roadblock and I can't seem to discover what that roadblock is. I too have opened myself up in coming to phatmass and asking questions and desiring more....as you will see in other posts that i've started or responded in...i'll be praying for you Sallycat....there is a reason for everything, i do believe this--although hard at times...there is a reason you are here at Phatmass...i pray this is clearly shown to you each time you enter in :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SallyCat Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 DM thank you as I will put you on mine as well. I was a little apprehensive about posting on this site. One thing I worried about and that you warned me about came true. I trhink I might be addicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesiringMore Posted December 22, 2003 Author Share Posted December 22, 2003 DM thank you as I will put you on mine as well. I was a little apprehensive about posting on this site. One thing I worried about and that you warned me about came true. I trhink I might be addicted. .....yes, addiction comes quickly... ...and sleep...well, is deprived....and rarely seen in a place like this ....... :wavey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beng Posted December 22, 2003 Share Posted December 22, 2003 (edited) What is this suppose to mean?? you know, so many people ask these questions especially those who have no faith in God...i'm sorry if you feel it is so easy beng...maybe i will just shut up... :sadder: It means you should grow up and look around. The fact is God never promise ANYthing in this Earth. So, if in your whole life on Earth, you suffer like concentration camp prisonner then YOU SHOULDN'T COMPLAIN!! I have given you the cold hard truth. The first post (which was deleted) is like a smack in the head to make you see clearly. Do you want comforting? THEN ASK!! I willl show you how you could feel comfortable regardless of all the cold hard truth. PS Are you a female? Edited December 22, 2003 by beng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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