avemaria40 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 (edited) Hitler a Christian? Ontologically (correct word?) yes, theologically, absolutely not Edited March 28, 2006 by avemaria40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 [quote]"It's a dirty, low thing to do for the Catholic Church to continue its subversive activity in every way possible and now even to extend its propaganda to Protestant children evacuated from the regions threatened by air raids. Next to the Jews these politico-divines are about the most loathsome riffraff that we are still sheltering in the Reich. The time will come after the war for an over-all solution of this problem." (Lochner, The Goebbels Diaries, 1948, p. 146).[/quote] [quote]Mussolini with Hitler. Hitler said, "Pius XII is the only human being who has always contradicted me and who has never obeyed me."[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Mar 28 2006, 02:18 AM']As did my mother with her first child before he had me.. [right][snapback]924758[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Church Punk Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 [quote name='zunshynn' date='Mar 27 2006, 12:52 PM'] but he says he did believe in Jesus. [right][snapback]923719[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Satan believes in Jesus too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Mar 28 2006, 12:44 AM']He was not a catholic...being a catholic is more than being baptised as one. A Catholic would never have legalised euthanasia. A Catholic would never have people different (Jews, gypsies, clergy, heck just about everyone that disagreed with him) placed in camps and butchered off. A Catholic would never have started a war with the aim of cleaning another nation/race off the faith of the earth. (…and the list goes on..) He was no catholic, he was an insane sexual degenerate who destroyed the lives of millions (even hundreds of millions) and cursed his people with a guilt that time will never heal. [right][snapback]924750[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You are missing the point, the guy WAS BAPTISED catholic. That is historical fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 [quote name='ReinnieR' date='Mar 28 2006, 01:57 AM']would you say that a catholic woldn't abort her baby? [right][snapback]924751[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it is not consistent with Catholic morals and beliefs to have an abortion. While the person is still baptized Catholic, doing that is a mortal sin and they need to go to confession. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Mar 30 2006, 02:30 AM']You are missing the point, the guy WAS BAPTISED catholic. That is historical fact. [right][snapback]927663[/snapback][/right] [/quote]No, I think you are. In my first sentence I've already pointed out that he was baptised as one, however in itself it means NOTHING: "...being a catholic is more than being baptised as one.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReinnieR Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Mar 29 2006, 10:39 PM']No, I think you are. In my first sentence I've already pointed out that he was baptised as one, however in itself it means NOTHING: "...being a catholic is more than being baptised as one.." [right][snapback]928071[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yes but are you familiar of the term "cafeteria catholic"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Cafeteria Catholics aren't Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Mar 30 2006, 06:48 AM']Cafeteria Catholics aren't Catholic. [right][snapback]928084[/snapback][/right] [/quote]...my old parish priest used to called them RC - retired catholics...anyhow, we agree! We are called to live our faith, if we don't we cant called ourself Christians and definitly not catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted March 30, 2006 Share Posted March 30, 2006 Here's something to highlight my point: Matthew 7:13-14 (Luke 13:24) Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And then I will declare to them, [b]'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' [/b] I know not whether Hitler ever converted before he died, and that is between him and God....however as far as I'm concerned if you do not practise your faith - you're not Catholic... I must also point out that if one considers catholic baptism the criteria to call someone catholic...what about converts who were baptised as Protestants? What does that make them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Mar 29 2006, 11:39 PM']No, I think you are. In my first sentence I've already pointed out that he was baptised as one, however in itself it means NOTHING: "...being a catholic is more than being baptised as one.." [right][snapback]928071[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually it does mean something. If you are baptised catholic, you are catholic until you repudiate the church and/or join another church. So if you are baptised catholic, and never enter another church til the day you die, you are catholic. You have been baptised into the Body of Christ and there you stay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Apr 2 2006, 05:40 PM']Actually it does mean something. If you are baptised catholic, you are catholic until you repudiate the church and/or join another church. So if you are baptised catholic, and never enter another church til the day you die, you are catholic. You have been baptised into the Body of Christ and there you stay. [right][snapback]933198[/snapback][/right] [/quote]I find it silly that I should be arguing over Hitler : Now there exists large amounts of speculation, however judging on his opinions and speeches I'm sure he was either a atheist or a pagan. Does that count for anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Apr 2 2006, 10:51 AM']I find it silly that I should be arguing over Hitler : Now there exists large amounts of speculation, however judging on his opinions and speeches I'm sure he was either a atheist or a pagan. Does that count for anything? [right][snapback]933206[/snapback][/right] [/quote] He definitely reputiated religion and chistianity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Apr 2 2006, 05:54 PM']He definitely reputiated religion and chistianity. [right][snapback]933211[/snapback][/right] [/quote]Then its probably fair to say he was not a catholic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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