Laurentina1975 Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 I found this and was aghast! Interesting article though. [url="http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/post/index/96/Point-of-Clarification"]Article.[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificat Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Ummm...interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it since I couldn't actually find the article, just the replies to it. What's more frightening is if you click on the link that is refered to in the first reply and then check out the community she is joining....Check it out: [url="http://www.csjp.org/index.html"]CSJP[/url] Warning: Not for the faint of heart...apparently Zen is a ministry of Christ and the Church now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedictaj Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 How...............................................................................................odd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificat Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Odd would be one way of putting it, I think. I guess it's a bit of a reality check that there are people who do have a slightly confused conception of the Church. It's sometimes easy to forget in our little online haven here that we are kinda radical to the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benedictaj Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 Well, they sound like the general Catholic population down here. I'm lucky to have a crowd of "real life" friends who have similar views as me (including even more conservative lol. Not that we should use political terms to define religious orthodoxy. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurentina1975 Posted March 14, 2006 Author Share Posted March 14, 2006 I know it made me kind of sickly.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChild Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 [quote name='magnificat' date='Mar 13 2006, 08:41 PM']Ummm...interesting. I'm not sure what to make of it since I couldn't actually find the article, just the replies to it. What's more frightening is if you click on the link that is refered to in the first reply and then check out the community she is joining....Check it out: [url="http://www.csjp.org/index.html"]CSJP[/url] Warning: Not for the faint of heart...apparently Zen is a ministry of Christ and the Church now [right][snapback]910862[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That 'community' is scary. That's all I'm going to say. . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruso Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 (edited) I already said it in another commentary, I do not believe that are possible to divided the vocations religius in liberals and conservatives. The vocations are only of God, no of the congregations, another subject is that people with beliefs more orthodox are more open to follow that call, of that I am safe. The conclusion that coat of this article is the division between Catholics, in the same countrie or diocese or town, even within the same congregation many differences can happen. But who has vocation and decides to follow it surpassed everything, be that person liberal or conservative. A girl that I know when she enter a congregation, they had to send she to Sudamerica because your father was in against ( congrats for your generosity Olan dad). The sisters of this congregation in Spain do not use habits but in south America yes and are more conservative, when she arrive they gave him your postulant uniform, white blouse and grey skirt, in the beginning she protest and saw that the clothes were not the only difference, nevertheless going ahead and profesed the last year (its father was, which made to she very happy). Edited March 14, 2006 by ruso Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurentina1975 Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 You must not have read the posts (articles). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 I saw this too. I think this phenomenon has to do with liberalism itself. The liberals like to de-emphasize the differences between men and women and priests + laypeople. They like to think that everyone is equal in all ways. They don't understand that we are in the Kingdom of God, not the Democracy of God, and His ways are not like our ways. Throughout the Bible, we see God making all kinds of distinctions among people, and if we are going to follow Him we have to do so according to His ways. Also, liberals have a poor understanding of human sexuality. If people understand sexuality to be a commodity, something that all people have an equal right to experience regardless of the nature of their relationships, then celibacy is not going to be valued as a Godly way of life. If these people have no respect for celibacy, then it's going to be hard for them to get vocations. I don't really have a problem with this, since we don't need liberal religious orders going out and spreading false teachings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandelynmarie Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Might I recommend Pope JPII's Theology of the Body? I've been listening to Christopher West on CD's & he really brings home the differences & sacredness of male & female...Sometimes I think the liberal church is losing a grip on that...Peace, Brandelyn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
be_thou_my_vision Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Just out of curiosity, what does this community say about celibacy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurentina1975 Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 [quote name='brandelynmarie' date='Mar 15 2006, 08:30 AM']Might I recommend Pope JPII's Theology of the Body? I've been listening to Christopher West on CD's & he really brings home the differences & sacredness of male & female...Sometimes I think the liberal church is losing a grip on that...Peace, Brandelyn [right][snapback]912210[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Most excellent read! I reccomend it as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificat Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 [quote name='be_thou_my_vision' date='Mar 15 2006, 09:13 AM']Just out of curiosity, what does this community say about celibacy? [right][snapback]912244[/snapback][/right] [/quote] from their website... [quote] Consecrated Celibacy Responding to God who first loved us, we accept the gift of celibacy to proclaim with our lives the transforming power of God's love. We freely commit ourselves by vow to a life of celibate chastity lived in community for the sake of God's reign of love and peace... This vow reminds us that our charism of peace calls us to challenge relationships of domination and manipulation and to work toward the reconciliation of divisions which hinder the solidarity of the human community... [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortnun Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 (edited) [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Mar 15 2006, 01:13 AM']I saw this too. I think this phenomenon has to do with liberalism itself. The liberals like to de-emphasize the differences between men and women and priests + laypeople. They like to think that everyone is equal in all ways. They don't understand that we are in the Kingdom of God, not the Democracy of God, and His ways are not like our ways. Throughout the Bible, we see God making all kinds of distinctions among people, and if we are going to follow Him we have to do so according to His ways. Also, liberals have a poor understanding of human sexuality. If people understand sexuality to be a commodity, something that all people have an equal right to experience regardless of the nature of their relationships, then celibacy is not going to be valued as a Godly way of life. If these people have no respect for celibacy, then it's going to be hard for them to get vocations. I don't really have a problem with this, since we don't need liberal religious orders going out and spreading false teachings. [right][snapback]912120[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Perhaps it would be helpful for us all to remember that using political terms to define people within our Church is not always helpful. And in this case, IMHO, it had lead to [i]gross overgeneralizations[/i]. Example: "All liberals have a poor understanding of human sexuality." People on every end of the political spectrum, as well as many inside the Church, have a poor understanding of human sexuality. It is certianly not limited to a specific demographic. Furthermore, it does not appear as if this community has a lack of respect for the vow of celibacy. And it's not as if the information to make such a judgement could be found on their website alone. So please, let us not all jump to that conclusion. AND LEAST OF ALL, let us not be "pleased" that it appears as if they are not getting vocations. I am filled with hope lately as it truly appears as if the tone of the comments on this board are those of respect. After all, it is not our place to judge religious men and women, or communities. And I do believe this intentional change has come about because of prayer and thoughtfulness in our posts. [b]Heavenly Father, please let us not deteroriate further in our efforts. May Jesus Christ be an inspiration to all of us to go and proclaim the Gospel. And may the Holy Spirit guide our thoughts and our fingers in our responses. Amen.[/b] Edited March 15, 2006 by shortnun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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