HELP!

[toledo_jesus]

Hey pholks! My mom has asked me to talk to her CCD class about the Traditional Latin Mass. She teaches 8th grade so these kids are smart enough to grasp a lot. I'm just not sure what would be appropriate to tell them. She wants me to highlight some of the differences and what they can expect when they go next week, but I'm worried I'll get bogged down in details and lose the kids.

Anybody done this? Got any pointers for introducing the TLM to kids?

[OLAM Dad]

Bring a boom box with some chant on it for starters. The offertory for tomorrow's Mass is short and quite beautiful.

That should get their attention. Then I would explain how similar the masses really are which should lead to the questions as to why it is no longer normative. That opens up the whole world. Rather than present a lecture I bet you could spend the entire time just answering questions.

I've got a DVD of the TLM done by the FSSP that is awesome. If you've got time to get your hands on it I highly recommend it.

btw, when I saw your thread title I thought this would be a thread about the Beatles.

[prose]

I would make sure that you have a talk prepared though b/c some kids may not have a lot of questions and it would smell of elderberries being up there with nothing to say!

[Thy Geekdom Come]

You know, if you let them ask questions, that should give you sort of an idea of where they are in their understanding and help you come up with answers.

I've never had to teach it, but I second the chant idea.

[OLAM Dad]

Which mass are they going to? 3rd Sunday of Lent? Here is a link to the chant for the propers of that day. At a minimum, if it is a Missa Canata (sung Mass) or a High Mass (celebrated with a deacon, etc.) then the Introit, Offertory and Communion will most likely be sung.

[url="http://www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/trid_dIIIQuadragesimae.html"]http://www.christusrex.org/www2/cantgreg/t...dragesimae.html[/url]

I thinks it's important that you explain to them what they will see and compare it to the NO. Although the two masses are remarkably similar; the first time you see a TLM it doesn't seem very similar at all.

Is it possible to get your hands on some of the Missals that will be used for the TLM? At my parish we use the red Ecclesia Die booklet which has Latin on one side and English on the other. It is only 'correct' for the propers one Sunday a year but it helps to follow along if you don't have a complete missal.

[url="http://www.ecclesiadei.org/"]http://www.ecclesiadei.org/[/url]

Edited March 11, 2006 by OLAM Dad

[toledo_jesus]

it's tomorrow.
The TLM is said at a little chapel. There is little if any chant. When I used to go it was mostly a Low Mass. They would sing old hymns and stuff. The congregation wouldn't respond to the priest, rather the altar boys would say stuff.

However, the Indult is now said by the FSSP, so I don't know what it will be like.

Does anyone have a comparison of the NO and the TLM? There was that one from the schismatic groups about how the NO got rid of all this stuff, but obviously they aren't a good source.

[Era Might]

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Edited March 11, 2006 by Era Might

[toledo_jesus]

I found this from some site called puella paschis:

# Latin is used exclusively in the TLM - the NO may be celebrated in either Latin or the vernacular;

# the TLM is celebrated ad orientem, that is, with the priest and people all facing the same direction, towards the altar - the NO may be celebrated either ad orientem or ad populo, that is, with the priest facing the people from the other side of the altar;

# unless it is a Dialogue Mass, the TLM involves no vocal participation from the congregation at all; sung responses are sung by the choir, and spoken responses are said by the altar servers - in the NO, well, that's not the case;

# in the TLM the entire canon (the Eucharistic Prayer) is silent - in the NO it is prayed aloud by the priest;

# the TLM begins with a procession, prayers at the sanctuary gate, then the Introit (= introductory chant, rough equivalent to the opening hymn) - the NO begins with, er, the Introit (which actually makes a bit more sense to me).


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I think this is the best way to go about it. Just sort of highlight the major differences and then the similarities...is there anything else missing from this list? I'm trying to keep it really simple.

[toledo_jesus]

· Communion is only under one “species.” This means that you will only receive the Host. The Full Body and Blood of Christ is present, don’t worry.
· When you receive Communion, you kneel at the altar rail in front of the sanctuary. You stick out your tongue and the priest places the Host on it. You do not say “Amen.”
· If you pass in front of the altar (not during Mass) always genuflect, as the tabernacle is located on the altar.

[toledo_jesus]

· Latin is used exclusively in the TLM - the NO may be celebrated in either Latin or the vernacular;
· the TLM is celebrated ad orientem, that is, with the priest and people all facing the same direction, towards the altar - the NO may be celebrated either ad orientem or ad populo, that is, with the priest facing the people from the other side of the altar;
· unless it is a Dialogue Mass, the TLM involves no vocal participation from the congregation at all; sung responses are sung by the choir, and spoken responses are said by the altar servers - in the NO, well, that's not the case;
· in the TLM the entire canon (the Eucharistic Prayer) is silent - in the NO it is prayed aloud by the priest;
· the TLM begins with a procession, prayers at the sanctuary gate, then the Introit (= introductory chant, rough equivalent to the opening hymn) - the NO begins with the Introit.
· Communion is only under one “species.” This means that you will only receive the Host. The Full Body and Blood of Christ is present, don’t worry.
· When you receive Communion, you will get in line and process up to the front. You kneel at the altar rail in front of the sanctuary. You stick out your tongue and the priest will say “Corpus Christi” and place the Host on it. You do not say “Amen.” After you receive you will go back to your seat and kneel for silent prayer.
· If you pass in front of the altar always genuflect, as the tabernacle is located on the altar. Also, genuflect when you take your seat.
· Dress code is no jeans, no t-shirts. Collared shirts, dress pants and ties are mandatory for boys, and for girls nice slacks or skirts below the knee. Girls must also cover their heads in the chapel. The chapel should have extra mantillas or head scarves for the girls if they do not have their own.
· There will be a missal that you can follow, which has the prayers in Latin and the prayers in English side by side. It also has pictures of the priest’s posture so you can tell where you are since the priest might be quiet or hard to understand.
· There is no sign of peace. Do not make any gesture toward the priest as in “And also with you.” Do not hold hands during the Our Father.
· Father will have Confession before Mass. You are encouraged to go so that you can receive Our Lord in a state of grace.

Even if you get lost and don’t know what is happening, just remember to maintain an attitude of reverence and respect. Try your best to follow along, but don’t worry because everyone gets lost their first couple times.
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How's this for a basic handout?

[philothea]

Sounds good to me! I might even save it for myself.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Except that the Tridentine Mass uses the Kyrie, which is Greek.

[journeyman]

picky picky . . . it can be in Greek in the NO, too

[toledo_jesus]

too much detail for 8th graders. uh...no offense 8th graders.

[OLAM Dad]

So...

How did it go?