can homosexuality be overcome?

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='King's Rook's Pawn' date='Mar 12 2006, 02:09 PM']Wow, what college do you go to? If a professor made this inference at my college he'd be run out on a rail!

My theory: sexual preferences as a whole--not just in regards to gender, but everything else that can determine to whom a person becomes attracted--are a determined by a complex interwoven web of genetic, hormonal, and evironmental influences, much like almost every other personality trait. Genetics and hormones create various predispositions to one degree or another and environmental conditions stifle or exacerbate these. Hence, it is possible for at least some homosexuals to become bisexual/heterosexual, but usually very difficult (as changing all personality traits would be and particularly when it comes to something that gives them so much physical pleasure as their sexual attractions). I do think some traditionalists overestimate the ability of homosexuals to change, some simply telling them to pray and go change their ways. Most homosexuals need far more then that but unfortunately, our modern culture stanches most efforts to look seriously and scientifically at the possibility of "curing" homosexuality and how to maximize the potential of homosexuals to change their predilection.
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i dont believe that homosexuality is fully genetic.......genetics may influence it....i dont really think so though. Nobody has ever been able to link a gene to homosexual behavior. And if genes determine preferences and/or behavior there would be no such thing as freewill since everything would be predetermined by the gene itself......i mean everything not just homosexuality. Ask yourself this......does a gene determine whether or not you will like fishing? Will all children of fishermen like fishing? I dont think all children of fishermen will like fishing...i think we can agree on that......So if there is a gene that made the initial fisherman like fishing and this gene is so definitive why dont all children of fishermen like fishing? One might argue that children have inhereted the majority of their genes from the non-fishing parent. So in order for all children (of a fisherman) to like fishing.......both parents would most likely carry this supposed gene. Frankly i dont think there is a single gene that would be so definitive for any preference, there could possibly be a gene that would altar inclinations, and i think the environment (by far) plays the largest role in preference. Are you familiar with the study done on 100 pairs of twins in which each pair included at least 1 homosexual? I think this says a lot about homosexuality and genetics, but there will always be people who overlook this, and continue to spread the idea that homosexuality is genetic. I personally dont believe that god would design genes so that they would be effected by the mistakes of past generations.

[sidemunch88]

i think HOMOSEXUALITY can be over come because alowishious did IT





JK

[MagiDragon]

i have a friend that is homosexual. i don't think that he *chooses* it per se, but i think he has given up trying to like girls. (after years of trying) he would *like* to be straight, but the desire isn't enough to change him.

i think there are two types of homosexuals: those who have no choice in the matter, and are thus rather conservative about their sexuality; and those that are "flamers" (for lack of a better description). I think the flamers are like many others in our society that simply want pleasure any way they can get it. People like my friend are relatively easy prey for the flamer types because they still have the desires of intimacy, but they are pushed away by normal society.

Also, my friend says that he can recognize a gay guy very easily. He asked me to go to a gay bar with him once. He told me that I would be fine because i was "too straight" for anyone to flirt with me. When i first walked in, i let the door close behind me, and a guy almost immediately entered afterwards and said in a flirtatious way, "What's the matter, am i not good enough for you?" I began to apologize: "I'm sorry, i didn't see you there." As i turned to face him, he began to apologize to me for flirting: "I'm sorry, man, i didn't realize." I never *said* anything that should have distinguished me from a gay guy, and i was smiling. *shrugs* I think they really can see a difference.

So, my 2 cents.

Pax Christi,
Joe

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='MagiDragon' date='Mar 13 2006, 01:34 PM']i have a friend that is homosexual.  i don't think that he *chooses* it per se, but i think he has given up trying to like girls.  (after years of trying)  he would *like* to be straight, but the desire isn't enough to change him.

i think there are two types of homosexuals: those who have no choice in the matter, and are thus rather conservative about their sexuality; and those that are "flamers" (for lack of a better description).  I think the flamers are like many others in our society that simply want pleasure any way they can get it.  People like my friend are relatively easy prey for the flamer types because they still have the desires of intimacy, but they are pushed away by normal society. 

Also, my friend says that he can recognize a gay guy very easily.  He asked me to go to a gay bar with him once.  He told me that I would be fine because i was "too straight" for anyone to flirt with me.  When i first walked in, i let the door close behind me, and a guy almost immediately entered afterwards and said in a flirtatious way, "What's the matter, am i not good enough for you?"  I began to apologize: "I'm sorry, i didn't see you there."  As i turned to face him, he began to apologize to me for flirting: "I'm sorry, man, i didn't realize."  I never *said* anything that should have distinguished me from a gay guy, and i was smiling.  *shrugs*  I think they really can see a difference.

So, my 2 cents.

Pax Christi,
Joe
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I think it was the way that you looked at him when you turned to face him so suddenly.

[thessalonian]

Would anyone deny that it is not possible to overcome it? With God all things are possible as I understand it. Even if there is a gay gene, men are looking toward curing disease with Gene therapy. Why do we think that God could not do it if we think we can?

By the way I've heard at least one testimony from someone I know so I know it is quite possible. This man was at one time deeply in to the gay scene. Now he is a happily married father with several children.

Edited March 14, 2006 by thessalonian

[Desert Walker]

It is certainly possible to overcome this. Here some steps:

1. Believe that it can be done

2. Ignore those who tell you it can't be done

3. Convince yourself that homosexuality is not natural -- that it is never an ingredient of the ideal person

4. Believe that heterosexuality is an ingredient of the ideal person

5. Modify your behavior to make yourself a living image of these three attitudes

[Church Punk]

I remember see a story on TV of a guy who was formerly gay then converted to Catholicism. He actually contracted AIDS and was still living his sinful life when he came to the end of his road and Jesus met him. I will always remember the words that he used. It was so moving.

He said the Jesus told him the "my blood will purge your blood" with that the man left and rejoiced and upon going to the doctor he discovered that the doctors could not figure out how it happen he was actually free from the AIDS virus!

He went on to have a wife and kids and live the hardcore Catholic life.

I dont know how true it is, but it was very inspiring.

[LouisvilleFan]

I voted yes, but I believe it's rarely possible. Most homosexuals won't become heteorsexual for the same reason heteorsexuals aren't becoming homosexuals. Bisexuals, however, are a different story, and I suspect that most of the stories of "change" we hear were just bisexuals who had suppressed their heteorsexuality. (but I may be wrong)

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Desert Walker' date='Mar 14 2006, 02:04 PM']It is certainly possible to overcome this.  Here some steps:

1. Believe that it can be done

2. Ignore those who tell you it can't be done

3. Convince yourself that homosexuality is not natural -- that it is never an ingredient of the ideal person

4. Believe that heterosexuality is an ingredient of the ideal person

5. Modify your behavior to make yourself a living image of these three attitudes
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A dose of God's grace MUST be added to this. We are powerless against sin on our own.

Edited March 14, 2006 by thessalonian

[ironmonk]

[quote name='rkwright' date='Mar 10 2006, 11:22 PM']An interesting aside one of my profs once made on this topic...

There is still a debate raging whether Homosexuality is a choice or a biological force of nature.  But one thing is for sure... there are those who were once homosexual that then changed and 'became' straight. 

He didn't take the next logical step, but I think you can see where he was going with it....
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Some try to say that it's the XY XX chromosone thing, but that fails because there are just as many straight people that have the same chromosones matching as homosexuals that do, and as many homosexuals that have "straight" chromosones.

It is not biological.

Attraction is developed.

It is not biological that we like blondes or red heads... it is not biological that we like fat or thin girls.... it is not biological that we are straight or have same sex attraction... Attraction is a behavior... behaviors are developed. There are many factors that affect our development.... someone might not be able to "help" that they have same sex attraction, but it is because of something in the way they developed... environment, choices made given certain situations, gender identification, etc... All of these factors come into play.

One of the first doctors that tried to say it was biological that got the whole bio bandwagon going was someone who had same sex attraction... he studied 12 dead people and determined that those who were "thought" to live a homosexual lifestyle had an enlarged hypothalemus.... he then concluded that it was biological... when something is biological, "it is beyond our control and not [i]our [/i]fault" - many of these studies that say "biological reasons" seem to be highly illogical and can easily be skewed.

As with any study can be easily skewed, the fact that for thousands of years it wasn't a big problem, simple reasoning, and basic logic speaks volumes... Attraction is developed. Peversity is developed also, homosexual acts are perverse... a prime example of how perversity is developed one only has to look at what is coming out of Japan for the past 20 years. <- In regards to this I'm not going into detail of the evils that no man should see... let alone conjure up... but my point being is that attraction, and attraction to perverse acts is developed... For anyone who has "studied" it and thinks otherwise; then they cannot see the forest through the trees. It is in plain sight.

EDIT: I don't want anyone to misunderstand what I am saying here, but I am trying to point out how far developed acts can go. Just when you think a deviance from the norm can't go any further, it can. From a psychological aspect of things I try to understand how people become the way they are.... I have been doing this since I was 12 when I wanted to be a pshrink... The things and people that some people are attracted to are in no way, shape, or form biological.

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited March 15, 2006 by ironmonk

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Desert Walker' date='Mar 14 2006, 04:04 PM']It is certainly possible to overcome this.  Here some steps:

1. Believe that it can be done

2. Ignore those who tell you it can't be done

3. Convince yourself that homosexuality is not natural -- that it is never an ingredient of the ideal person

4. Believe that heterosexuality is an ingredient of the ideal person

5. Modify your behavior to make yourself a living image of these three attitudes
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Yes... exactly... with God's grace and if it is our will to do it, we can change.

I highly suggest reading "The Way to Happiness" by Archbiship Fulton Sheen.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[Desert Walker]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Mar 14 2006, 03:39 PM']A dose of God's grace MUST be added to this.  We are powerless against sin on our own.
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Of course. God's grace is what makes such acts possible.

[infinitelord1]

what up people.....i think i just found the right person to help me with my struggles!!!!! This counselor i have been going to is so awesome!!!!! He knows exactly what im going through and that alone is enough to start making the steps i wanna take to conquer this burden. His e-mail address is cstone@msu.com. It might not really help just e-mailing him but this might be good to get a reference for some help in your area. This guy has helped many overcome homosexual tendencies and even some to start developing straight tendencies. The therapy is not based on homosexuality alone. Its really based on the root of each individuals homosexuality and identifying certain feelings and roots of feelings. I went for the first time today and we talked for 5 hours! This guy is really dedicated to helping people. He only charges like 40 a month too!!! and you can go as much as you want.