Woman Rabbi teaches Relegion at Catholic school

[Myles Domini]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Mar 8 2006, 03:41 AM']More from the Holy See:
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I dont see why you emboldened an apsect of that extract of even why you quoted it. Though some posters may be inferring the Jews are a punished people Paphnutius certainly isn't and neither am I. The fact of the matter is, as everyone readily admits, the Old Covenant was [i]fulfilled[/i]--stress on the past tense. God has made many covenants with many people throughout the course of salvation history but being part of a prior covenant never meant that one could ignore the current covenant. Just because they were sons of Abraham, Issac and Jacob that didnt mean the people Israel were allowed to reject the covenant of Sinai. They were expected to adopt it in addition to what had already been given them as Abraham's descendants and not adopting it was frowned upon by The LORD.

Just because the Jews have access to all prior covenants before the Christian dispensation it does not absolve them from the right to accept Jesus, now, as the Messiah and the Church as the one true Church. One could not worship in Samaria and still say I have the fullness of the Mosaic faith that statement would be manifestly false regardless of Jeroboam's lineage. Worship at the Temple became essential when God made Israel into a nation, how much more now that He has made his covenant universal and His Temple His own body?

As for your question rkwright it all depends on what she's teaching. I would hazard to assume that for her teaching Old Testament from a Catholic perspective which would draw out various conclusions from various texts use to substantiate Christ's messianic identity would be difficult/alien.

[Era Might]

[quote]I dont see why you emboldened an apsect of that extract of even why you quoted it.[/quote]

Because it was addressing Israel today, as she exists. Their continued existence is not an accident. As the Church teaches, it must be understood in the context of God's providence, and his Covenant with Israel.

[quote]God has made many covenants with many people throughout the course of salvation history but being part of a prior covenant never meant that one could ignore the current covenant.[/quote]

Of course not. But this isn't the discussion at hand. What we are discussing is the nature of Israel's continued relationship to God, so long as they do not recognize their Messiah, but continue to serve the God of their Fathers.

[quote]Worship at the Temple became essential when God made Israel into a nation, how much more now that He has made his covenant universal and His Temple His own body?[/quote]

Israel is not extrinsic to this mystery of the Church, as the Church has made clear. Unlike any other religion, Israel is already part of this mystery, like the first half of a book. This is an essential Truth to understand before anything else when we look at Israel.

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[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Mar 7 2006, 11:19 PM']Just because a religion does not have the FULLNESS of Truth, i.e. 100% correct about everything, does not mean they are lacking in any truth at all.  As far as the Talmud goes, it is an important Jewish document, however, Judaism is not like Catholicism in that they do not have a strict way of determining what is and is not orthodox based on sacred texts.  You can call yourself Jewish and completely ignore the Talmud.  They don't put it on the same level as the Torah.  You can't say the same thing for a person who calls themselves Catholic and does not believe the teachings of the Church.
I'm 1/8 Jewish too.
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once again the talmud corrupts Judiasm. For the orthodox jews and many others it is above the bible.

[quote]Erubin 21b: "My son, be more careful in the observance of the words of the Scribes than in the words of the Torah"[/quote]

[quote]Rabbi Yehiel ben Joseph said:

    "Further, without the Talmud, we would not be able to understand passages in the Bible... God has handed this authority to the sages and tradition is a necessity as well as scripture. The Sages also made enactments of their own... anyone who does not study the Talmud cannot understand Scripture." [/quote]

[Paphnutius]

[quote]15. [b]The principal purpose to which the plan of the old covenant was directed was to prepare for the coming of Christ[/b], the redeemer of all and of the messianic kingdom, to announce this coming by prophecy (see Luke 24:44; John 5:39; 1 Peter 1:10), and to indicate its meaning through various types (see 1 Cor. 10:12).[/quote]The principle purpose of the Old Covenants was for Christ as the Messiah. God has lead His people to their savior. The principle prupose was not that God would stick it through all time, but that He would deliver them. That He has done. Remember that the Old Covenant was Christocentric through and through. Today's Judaism denies Christ.

But the Covenant was concluded, and fulfilled. It may not have been revoked, but it has been fulfilled. God lead the Jewish people to the Messiah, and a good amount rejected Him and still do to this day. All men are called closer to God through the Son. Leading the Jewish people today to the Messiah (Christ who died 2000 years ago) enjoins them with the rest of humanity.

Just a point to ponder, why is the New Covenant call the eternal covenant and the Old Covenant never was? Perhaps reading 2 Corinthians or Galatians will help.

Before I comment further I would apprecaite your response to the Council of Florence.

[Era Might]

[quote]Remember that the Old Covenant was Christocentric through and through. Today's Judaism denies Christ.[/quote]I would say it was Messianic. Judaism today simply has not come to know Christ as the Messiah, whom they await. Judaism today is still as much Judaism as it was in the Old Testament, and equally Messianic.

[quote]Before I comment further I would apprecaite your response to the Council of Florence.[/quote]

Too broad a subject that I honestly don't feel like getting into.

I'll end my participation here. I feel like we are doomed to go in circles. It's been fun though.

[Paphnutius]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Mar 8 2006, 09:06 AM']I'll end my participation here. I feel like we are doomed to go in circles. It's been fun though. 
[right][snapback]906475[/snapback][/right][/quote]Perhaps we would benefit from a stand down. In my reading on this topic I came across this which would seem a suitable way to end this. [quote]The last word should perhaps be left to Pope Benedict XVI. In a set of interviews from the late 1990s, published under the title God and the World, he recognizes that there is "an enormous variety of theories" about the extent to which Judaism remains a valid way of life since the coming of Christ.[/quote]It has been a pleasure as always Era.

[avemaria40]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Mar 8 2006, 12:19 AM']I'm 1/8 Jewish too.
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me too

I think that if you're going to learn about Judaism, it should be from someone who is Jewish, so I don't have a problem with them hiring a rabbi. It would be completely another thing if they hired the same rabbi to teach kids about Catholicism. I think that kids should learn about other religions and to respect them because the only way people will listen to Truth is if we respect their views. As long as the school is not neglecting to teach solid orthodox Catholicism to these students, what could be the harm?

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 8 2006, 07:34 AM']once again the talmud corrupts Judiasm. For the orthodox jews and many others it is above the bible.
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Even if the Talmud does corrupt Judaism, that would imply that while the religion had some corruption in it (as all religions, even ours, do) it still has at least some truth in it.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

everyone relegion has some truth. but to view judiaism as just like christianity except they deny Jesus Christ is not correct.

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 8 2006, 03:33 PM']everyone relegion has some truth. but to view judiaism as just like christianity except they deny Jesus Christ is not correct.
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Christianity is the fulfillment of Judaism.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

it is the fufillment of OLD TESTAMENT JUDAISM not modern Talmudic judiasm. to think that the new testament fuffils the talmudic relegion of modern judiasm is heretical and ridiculous.

[photosynthesis]

Judaism is the religion of Israel, God's holy nation, the people of God. The people of Israel today are the same people of Israel in the New Testament.

[Church Punk]

I think learning of the Jewish faith is good for Christians. After all wasnt Jesus jewish? And dont we read out of the same texts in the old testiment?

As Catholics we have a good insight of what the old testiment was leading to... JESUS

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Mar 8 2006, 11:27 PM']Judaism is the religion of Israel, God's holy nation, the people of God.  The people of Israel today are the same people of Israel in the New Testament.
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SO what if judiasm is the relegion of Israel?

they are no longer the Chosen people. We Catholics are the new Israel. They are the same people, but they do not believe in the same things. As i have said above, the Talmud Perverts Judiasm.

[Captain_Fantastic]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 6 2006, 10:48 PM']
why should we teach a false relegion in a Catholic school? especially Judiaism which is such an anti-christian relegion? [/quote]

In order to understand the child one must understand the parent I think more Christian schools should require a year of Jewish studies.