MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:50 AM']well than are you condeming all these saints? [right][snapback]931694[/snapback][/right] [/quote] let me prophecize the response to this: "those were different times". Edited April 1, 2006 by MC Just Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:53 PM']So you're accusing Vatican II and the magisterium of swaying away from it's teachings, being more sympathetic to Judaism and the Jews, and establishing relations with them? [right][snapback]931703[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yes [quote name='Peccator' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:53 PM']Geezzz...this troll is like a broken record... [right][snapback]931705[/snapback][/right] [/quote] im not a troll. if you can not see that the church said the jews were cursed and that Vatican II teaches they are not, well than you need to look harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Paladin D' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:53 AM']So you're accusing Vatican II and the magisterium of swaying away from it's teachings, being more sympathetic to Judaism and the Jews, and establishing relations with them? [right][snapback]931703[/snapback][/right] [/quote] no one is talking about Vatican II. This is an abuse. Its like what notre dame is doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 "The difference between the Jews and us in not a small one, is it? Is the dispute between us over ordinary, everyday matters, so that you think the two religions are really one and the same? Why are you mixing what cannot be mixed? They crucified the Christ whom you adore as God. Do you see how great the difference is? How is it, then, that you keep running to those who slew Christ when you say that you worship him whom they crucified?" -St. John Chrysostom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:56 AM']"The difference between the Jews and us in not a small one, is it? Is the dispute between us over ordinary, everyday matters, so that you think the two religions are really one and the same? Why are you mixing what cannot be mixed? They crucified the Christ whom you adore as God. Do you see how great the difference is? How is it, then, that you keep running to those who slew Christ when you say that you worship him whom they crucified?" -St. John Chrysostom [right][snapback]931713[/snapback][/right] [/quote] nice quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 another thread about to be closed. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 You're accusing a whole race/religion/ethnicity of people of the murder of Christ...by the same logic me being an Afrikaner am also guilty of Apartheid, right? I'm no dispensationlist....but I do not like the fact that you're calling people cursed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 i hope not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Peccator' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:59 PM']You're accusing a whole race/religion/ethnicity of people of the murder of Christ...by the same logic me being an Afrikaner am also guilty of Apartheid, right? I'm no dispensationlist....but I do not like the fact that you're calling people cursed. [right][snapback]931717[/snapback][/right] [/quote] im not accusing the jewish race of anything. nor the ethnicity. I am also not saying that ALL Jews are guilty of the murder of christ. But anyone who practices the relegion of Judiasm is cursed. [quote] And the whole people answering, said: His blood be upon us and our children.[/quote] Matthew 27:25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 ok this thread is about a woman rabbi teaching at a catholic school, not Vatican II or race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 1, 2006 Author Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 01:02 PM']ok this thread is about a woman rabbi teaching at a catholic school, not Vatican II or race. [right][snapback]931722[/snapback][/right] [/quote] race has nothing to do with it. but Vatican II might. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:55 PM']yes [right][snapback]931709[/snapback][/right] [/quote] So by saying this, you are condemning yourself as a dissendent to the Catholic Church, and therefore should be burned. We don't need dissendents, just as we don't need "talmudism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 its not VII. ITs modernists and liberals who misenterpreted the council. We are not talking about that. At least we shouldnt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 01:04 PM']its not VII. ITs modernists and liberals who misenterpreted the council. We are not talking about that. At least we shouldnt. [right][snapback]931729[/snapback][/right] [/quote] So you believe it was a mistake for John Paul the Great to establish relations with the Jewish people, and try to reconcile with them? Because that is what EENS is implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peccator Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 08:02 PM']race has nothing to do with it. but Vatican II might. [right][snapback]931724[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ok, now which is it...because it seems the Trads aren't sure either: [url="http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/apologia/vpost?id=1025633"]http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/ap...post?id=1025633[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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