Woman Rabbi teaches Relegion at Catholic school

[Paladin D]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:21 PM']once again its obvious, non-catholics shouldnt be teaching Catholics.
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In terms of religion, schooling, or everything in life?

[MC Just]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:23 AM']In terms of religion, schooling, or everything in life?
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in terms of pretty much everything.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:38 PM']in terms of pretty much everything.
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Well when it comes to faith and morals, yeah. But I don't think I should be forced to find a Catholic to teach me how to build a chair, or make eggs.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

the Talmud should be burned.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:40 AM']Well when it comes to faith and morals, yeah.  But I don't think I should be forced to find a Catholic to teach me how to build a chair, or make eggs.
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well fine i exxagerated. lol it runs in the family.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:42 PM']the Talmud should be burned.
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And those who reject Vatican II too?

[Paladin D]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:42 PM']well fine i exxagerated. lol it runs in the family.
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I agree that it's good to be taught in a Catholic perspective on things, but I just don't think this can always be the case, and sometimes it's better to learn from someone else. I've met some nice non-Catholics, and some real a-hole Catholics.

Good fruit can come from those who are not Catholic you know.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

did i say that?

[MC Just]

look, our "catholic" colleges and schools are becoming more and more hostile to Orthodoxy and Tradition. Many of these "non-catholics" are turning "catholics": against their own faith. For the sake of politics and anti-catholicism. When do we draw a line? when do we say enough is enough? never? The liberal way?

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:21 PM']once again its obvious, non-catholics shouldnt be teaching Catholics.
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If you want to learn about catholics you don't go to a mormon. , you go to the Catholic Church.
So if you want to teach your children about the jewish faith, you go to a rabbi.
This non-catholic in question is not teaching catholics about catholicism, but about her religion . There is nothing wrong with getting accurate information on a subject.
Do you expect your doctor to explain your taxes to you?

[Paladin D]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:44 PM']look, our "catholic" colleges and schools are becoming more and more hostile to Orthodoxy and Tradition. Many of these "non-catholics" are turning "catholics": against their own faith. For the sake of politics and anti-catholicism.  When do we draw a line? when do we say enough is enough? never? The liberal way?
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The problem is not someone from [b]another religion[/b] teaching about their faith to a Catholic, it's when you have heterodox Catholics (or non-Catholics who have an agenda) who are teaching the [b]CATHOLIC FAITH[/b] in Catholic colleges.

We need orthodox teachers to teach the Catholic faith, not heterodox Catholics/non-Catholics.

[MC Just]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Apr 1 2006, 11:45 AM']If you want to learn about catholics you don't go to a mormon. , you go to the  Catholic Church.
So if you want to teach your children about the jewish faith, you go to  a rabbi.
This non-catholic in question is not teaching catholics about catholicism, but about her religion . There is nothing wrong with getting accurate information on a subject.
Do you expect your doctor to explain your taxes to you?
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There are plenty of Hebrew Catholics, why not ask them to teach? why someone outside the Church.? That is the question.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

well than are you condeming all these saints?

[quote] 3rd century CE:
bullet Origen (185 - 254 CE): "The blood of Jesus falls not only on the Jews of that time, but on all generations of Jews up to the end of the world."
bullet St. Cyprian of Carthage (circa 200 - 258): "This name rebukes and condemns the Jews who not only spurned Christ faithlessly, but also cruelly executed Him Who was announced to them by the prophets, and sent first to their nation. No longer may they call God their Father, because the Lord confounds and refutes them, saying: 'your father is the devil' [John 8:44]. O sinful nation, O people weighed down with guilt, breed of evil-doers, lawless children, you have turned your backs on the Lord and have provoked the Holy One of Israel."
bullet 4th century CE:
bullet St Athanasius (circa 296 - 373): Jews "...have no abiding place, but they wander everywhere .... But in every place they transgress the law, and as the judgments of God require; they keep days of grief instead of gladness. Now the cause of this to them was the slaying of the Lord, and that they did not reverence the Only Begotten .... Therefore the Lord cursed them under the figure of the fig tree."
bullet St. Hilary of Poitiers (315 - 367) referred to Jews as a perverse people who God has cursed forever.
bullet John of Antioch (347 - 407) (a.k.a. John Chrysostom): He delivered a group of four homilies titled "Against the Jews". Homily 4 said, in part: "The difference between the Jews and us in not a small one, is it? Is the dispute between us over ordinary, everyday matters, so that you think the two religions are really one and the same? Why are you mixing what cannot be mixed? They crucified the Christ whom you adore as God. Do you see how great the difference is? How is it, then, that you keep running to those who slew Christ when you say that you worship him whom they crucified?" 2
bullet 5th century CE:
bullet St. Jerome (circa 345 - 420): "Judas betrayed Me [Jesus], the Jews persecuted and crucified Me....In particular, this is the story of Judas; in general it is that of the Jews....Judas is cursed, that in Judas the Jews may be accursed."
bullet St. Augustine (354 - 430) wrote: "The true image of the Hebrew is Judas Iscariot, who sells the Lord for silver. The Jew can never understand the Scriptures and forever will bear the guilt for the death of Jesus."

On another occasion, he wrote: "Judaism, since Christ, is a corruption; indeed, Judas is the image of the Jewish people: their understanding of Scripture is carnal; they bear the guilt for the death of the Savior, for through their fathers they have killed Christ." 1
bullet 7th century:
bullet The 17th Church Council of Toledo, Spain in 694 CE defined Jews as the serfs of the prince. This was based, in part, on the beliefs by Chrysostom, Origen, Jerome, and other church fathers that God punished the Jews with perpetual slavery because of their collective responsibility for the death of Jesus. 3
bullet 11th to 13th centuries:
bullet The First Crusade was launched in 1096 CE. Although the prime goal of the crusades was to liberate Jerusalem from Muslim control, Jews were a secondary target of opportunity. As the soldiers passed through Europe on the way to the Holy Land, large numbers of Jews were challenged with the order: "Christ-killers, embrace the Cross or die!" 12,000 Jews in the Rhine Valley alone were killed in the first Crusade. This behavior continued for eight additional crusades until the 9th Crusade in 1272. Hundreds of thousands of defenseless Jews died in the attacks.
bullet 13th century:
bullet Pope Innocent III wrote to the archbishops of Sens and Paris in 1200 CE that "the Jews, by their own guilt, are consigned to perpetual servitude because they crucified the Lord...As slaves rejected by God, in whose death they wickedly conspire, they shall by the effect of this very action, recognize themselves as the slaves of those whom Christ's death set free..."

In an epistle to the Count of Nevers, he wrote: "....the Jews, against whom the blood of Christ calls out, although they ought not to be killed, nevertheless, as wanderers they must remain upon the earth until their faces are filled with shame and they seek the name of the Lord Jesus Christ."

In an epistle to the Hierarchy of France, he wrote: "Crucifiers of Christ ought to be held in continual subjection."
bullet 15th century:
bullet Blessed Juliana of Norwich (1342 - 1423), "I knew in my faith that the Jews were accursed and condemned without end, except those who were converted [to Christianity]."
bullet Pope Innocent IV (1432 - 1492): "...strictly forbidding that Jews henceforth have Christian nurses or servants, that the sons of a free woman may not serve the sons of a bondswoman, but as slaves condemned by the Lord, whose death they wickedly plotted, they at least outwardly recognize themselves as slaves of those whom the death of Christ made free and themselves slaves."
bullet 18th century:
bullet St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori (1696 - 1787): "Poor Jews! You invoked a dreadful curse upon your own heads in saying: 'His blood be on us and our children'; and that curse, miserable race, you carry upon you to this day, and to the end of time you shall endure the chastisement of that innocent blood." Liguori was referring to Matthew 27:21-25 which describes an alleged interchange between Pilate, the Roman Procurator of Palestine and Phoenicia, and a Jewish mob. These verses are probably responsible for more loss of Jewish life than any other passage in the Bible:

Matthew 27:21-25: "The governor answered and said unto them, Whether of the twain will ye that I release unto you? They said, Barabbas. Pilate saith unto them, What shall I do then with Jesus which is called Christ? They all say unto him, Let him be crucified. And the governor said, Why, what evil hath he done? But they cried out the more, saying, Let him be crucified. When Pilate saw that he could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it. Then answered all the people, and said, His blood be on us, and on our children." King James Version.
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[Paladin D]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Apr 1 2006, 12:50 PM']well than are you condeming all these saints?
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So you're accusing Vatican II and the magisterium of swaying away from it's teachings, being more sympathetic to Judaism and the Jews, and establishing relations with them?

[Peccator]

Geezzz...this troll is like a broken record...