HisChild Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='prose' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:24 PM']I was thinking that too. Also, I was told in pastoral care that is what they do when people can't take the Eucharist due to illness in senior citizen's homes. (Touch to teh tongue and priest eats it) [right][snapback]904692[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Really? I've never seen that done? The priest is all right with that? I mean, due to hygeine/disease issues? Gosh, when I've gone on codes (cardiac arrests) in the ICU or ER, we're given masks and under no circumstances are we to touch mouth to mouth. You know. . .universal precautions means to always assume the person has a disease. I'm just a nurse, what do I know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prose Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 You're probably right. I thought it was odd, but that is what I was told Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:28 PM']Really? I've never seen that done? The priest is all right with that? I mean, due to hygeine/disease issues? Gosh, when I've gone on codes (cardiac arrests) in the ICU or ER, we're given masks and under no circumstances are we to touch mouth to mouth. You know. . .universal precautions means to always assume the person has a disease. I'm just a nurse, what do I know? [right][snapback]904697[/snapback][/right] [/quote] According to the interns I know, you act like you know everything. Then the interns get a god-complex and know everything and you are always messing up. (I have already had 4 nurses threaten my life and I haven't even finished undergrad). The training we recivied for CERT told us that in a cardiac emergency, if the ability to prevent mouth-mouth contact exists, use it. But if it doesn't exist, make a judgement call and if you think it is safe (i.e. the condition was caused by ingesting chemicals) start mouth to mouth and/or full blown CPR. The risks of transmission are fairly low, the mouth does a pretty good job of killing most nasty things and siliva transmission is rel. low and the chance of saving the life outweighs those low risks. However, if it can be avoided, by all means, avoid it. But that sounds like a different type of thing, field work as opposed to hospital work. I find it weird that the kid has problems with all the different forms they tried. I have done a little work with kids with forms of autism and this doesn't really surpise me. It might just be one of those things they will have to keep trying until they find something that works or the kid grows out of it (if he does). Until then, there is a major problem if the kid can't do it and there is no "legal" way for him to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted March 7, 2006 Author Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='PCPA2Be' date='Mar 7 2006, 11:23 AM']Oh, I can imagine! When my stepmother was dying of leukemia, she had had a stroke right before the priest arrived. They had to test out her swallowing to make sure she'd be able to consume Holy Communion and it took her a while to do so. With demented patients, there's always the question of whether the patient knows what they are doing. My question is, if the patient doesn't know they are receiving Jesus, but do anyway, is it still valid reception? [right][snapback]904690[/snapback][/right] [/quote] As long as the person swallows the eucharist it's OK. We believe that Christ is objectively present and it does not rely on the subjective faith of the person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChild Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='Iacobus' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:43 PM']According to the interns I know, you act like you know everything. Then the interns get a god-complex and know everything and you are always messing up. (I have already had 4 nurses threaten my life and I haven't even finished undergrad). The training we recivied for CERT told us that in a cardiac emergency, if the ability to prevent mouth-mouth contact exists, use it. But if it doesn't exist, make a judgement call and if you think it is safe (i.e. the condition was caused by ingesting chemicals) start mouth to mouth and/or full blown CPR. The risks of transmission are fairly low, the mouth does a pretty good job of killing most nasty things and siliva transmission is rel. low and the chance of saving the life outweighs those low risks. However, if it can be avoided, by all means, avoid it. But that sounds like a different type of thing, field work as opposed to hospital work. I find it weird that the kid has problems with all the different forms they tried. I have done a little work with kids with forms of autism and this doesn't really surpise me. It might just be one of those things they will have to keep trying until they find something that works or the kid grows out of it (if he does). Until then, there is a major problem if the kid can't do it and there is no "legal" way for him to do it. [right][snapback]904711[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I don't believe you even read my post. Actually, as I said in my post (and I apologize, cappie, for hijacking the thread for a moment), I merely said I hadn't seen that done before, and would wonder if the priest was all right with consuming the Eucharist after placing it on the patient's tongue. I am not sure which program you speak of, when you say you've been threatened by nurses (and what you might have done to receive such threats, I've never seen a nurse just jump out and threaten someone), but I've worked in the ICU, the OR and in the ER. I've never seen anyone, nurse OR doctor OR respiratory therapist just go at CPR mouth to mouth. The only time I even attempted to do such a thing, my ER attending doc pulled me away, and said 'find a mask, you dont know what he has!' Similarly, my dad, who is a fireman, has also said he'd never touch a patient mouth to mouth on a call, not knowing the patient's full history. With all the diseases rampant in today's society, many of them unknown by even the patient until the given incubation time is up, while it's our duty to care for these patients, it's foolish to do so at the expense of or at risk to our own lives. That's not opinion, that's common.. . . .well, unless you are Father Damien, who was a God bless you in your future education. May you always have a pleasant manner with your patients, their families and your co workers, even down to the night housekeeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HisChild Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='cappie' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:58 PM']As long as the person swallows the eucharist it's OK. We believe that Christ is objectively present and it does not rely on the subjective faith of the person [right][snapback]904727[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Thank you for your answer. I was wondering about that. God bless you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCid Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='prose' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:24 PM']I was thinking that too. Also, I was told in pastoral care that is what they do when people can't take the Eucharist due to illness in senior citizen's homes. (Touch to teh tongue and priest eats it) [right][snapback]904692[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote]Matthew will not swallow even tiny amounts of the bread or wine, his father says. [/quote] I agree with the Diocese action on this... I doubt they feed Matthew in a similar way as he would recieve no nutritional value from it. And since it seems he cannot even swallow the Precious Blood, no particles would be swallowed by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 6 2006, 07:04 PM']I was joking. [right][snapback]904651[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You're not funny. That comment was way out of line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:49 PM']If he can't swallow the Body of Christ, he is probably possessed by Satan, and needs to be soundly exorcised! [right][snapback]904619[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 6 2006, 07:04 PM']I was joking. [right][snapback]904651[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Hilarious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WCC_Catholic Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 (edited) what about the host that disolves???? i mean that should work too wouldnt it? Edited March 7, 2006 by WCC_Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankencow Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 6 2006, 05:49 PM']If he can't swallow the Body of Christ, he is probably possessed by Satan, and needs to be soundly exorcised! [right][snapback]904619[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Either that, or they need some SERIOUS healing masses for this poor boy. ;_; Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 It doesn't even make sense, how can he be really be denied the Eucharist if he can't even consume It? In truth it is not really the priests who are doing that. I hope they find some sort of solution though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 6 2006, 06:04 PM']I was joking. [right][snapback]904651[/snapback][/right] [/quote] "Like a madman shooting firebrands or deadly arrows is a man who deceives his neighbor and says, 'I was only joking!'" - Proverbs 26:18-19 Not something to kid about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 I love that verse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Mar 7 2006, 12:43 PM']I love that verse. [right][snapback]905316[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Me too. And it's used so appropriately here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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