What is wrong with FSSP?

[Ash Wednesday]

I wanted to know why people that support the SSPX don't support the FSSP? Are they viewed as somehow inferior?

[Cam42]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Mar 5 2006, 07:42 AM']I wanted to know why people that support the SSPX don't support the FSSP? Are they viewed as somehow inferior?
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No, the reason is very simple....almost to the point where you'll slap your forehead and say, "DOH!!"

The original FSSP priests were members of the SSPX at one time and reconciled with the Church. That's it. The rest are symantics.

[dspen2005]

i've heard from SSPXers that it's because FSSPers are required, when needed, to say the Missa Normativa. They don't like this (the SSPXers that is)

[Cam42]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Mar 5 2006, 07:45 AM']i've heard from SSPXers that it's because FSSPers are required, when needed, to say the Missa Normativa.  They don't like this (the SSPXers that is)
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Like I said, "symantics."

[Cam42]

From "a certain unnamed website:"

[quote]Since the introduction of the new sacramental rites, Rome had allowed no Society or Congregation exclusive use of the older rites. Then on June 30, 1988, Archbishop Lefebvre consecrated four bishops to ensure the survival of the traditional priest­hood and sacraments, and especially of the traditional Latin Mass. Suddenly, within two days, Pope John Paul II recognized (Ecclesia Dei Afflicta, July 2, 1988) the “rightful aspirations” (for these things) of those who wouldn’t support Archbishop Lefebvre’s stance, and offered to give to them what he had always refused the Archbishop. [b]A dozen or so priests of the Society of Saint Pius X accepted this “good will” and broke away to found the Society of Saint Peter.[/b]

The Society of Saint Peter is founded upon more than questionable principles, for the following reasons:

It accepts that the Conciliar Church has the power:

To take away the Mass of all time (for the Novus Ordo Missae is not another form of this),

to grant it to those only who accept the same Conciliar Church’s novel orientations (in life, belief, structures),

to declare non-Catholic those who deny this by word or deed (An interpretation of "Everyone should be aware that formal adherence to the schism [of Archbishop Lefebvre] is a grave offense against God and carries the penalty of excommunication." Ecclesia Dei Afflicata), and,

to professes itself in a certain way in communion with anyone calling himself “Christian,” and yet to declare itself out of communion with Catholics whose sole crime is wanting to remain Catholic (Vatican II, e.g., Lumen Gentium, §15; Unitatis Redintegratio §3).

In practice, the priests of the Society of Saint Peter, having recourse to a Novus Ordo bishop willing to permit the traditional rites and willing to ordain their candidates, they are forced to abandon the fight against the new religion which is being installed:

They reject the Novus Ordo Missae only because it is not their “spirituality” and claim the traditional Latin Mass only in virtue of their “charism” acknowledged them by the Pope,

they seek to ingratiate themselves with the local bishops, praising them for the least sign of Catholic spirit and keeping quiet on their modernist deviations (unless perhaps it is a question of a diocese where they have no hopes of starting up), even though by doing so they end up encouraging them along their wrong path, and

1.  note, for example, the Society of Saint Peter’s whole-hearted acceptance of the (New) Catechism of the Catholic Church

2.  acceptance of Novus Ordo professors in their seminaries, and blanket acceptance of Vatican II’s orthodoxy.

They are therefore Conciliar Catholics and not traditional Catholics.

This being so, attending their Mass is:

a.  Accepting the compromise on which they are based,

b.  accepting the direction taken by the Conciliar Church and the consequent destruction of the Catholic Faith and practices, and

c.  accepting, in particular, the lawfulness and doctrinal soundness of the Novus Ordo Missae and Vatican II.

That is why a Catholic ought not to attend their Masses.[/quote]


The bolded part is the reason. The rest are symantics.

[Era Might]

Because the SSPX revolt is not just about the Tridentine Missal. The SSPX for the most part rejects the Second Vatican Council and its teaching.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

Bascially i think Trads like that the SSPX is free from the dioscean structure, in the FSSP the Dioscean bishop has some say in wether or not the FSSP comes into the Diocese, where as the SSPX ignores the Bishop.

[Cam42]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 5 2006, 09:12 AM']Bascially i think Trads like that the SSPX is free from the dioscean structure, in the FSSP the Dioscean bishop has some say in wether or not the FSSP comes into the Diocese, where as the SSPX ignores the Bishop.
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And that, sadly, is a telling commentary on the SSPX schism.

One should not ever wish or "like" to be free from the diocesan bishop/structure.

[jezic]

I think Saint Ignatius talks about this in his letters to.

You might want to read him as he is a Church Father that talks extensively about how important it is to be in union with the bishop.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

The FSSP has "given in" as far as most SSPX'ers are concerned.

[Resurrexi]

[quote]One should not ever wish or "like" to be free from the diocesan bishop/structure. [/quote]

haha! Does Opus Dei ring a bell?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote][b]Opus Dei: Relations with the dioceses[/b]
The Opus Dei Prelature is a jurisdictional structure belonging to the pastoral and hierarchical organisation of the Church. Like dioceses, territorial prelatures, vicariates and military ordinariates, it has its own autonomy and ordinary jurisdiction to carry out its mission in the service of the whole Church. For that reason it is dependent immediately and directly on the Roman Pontiff, through the Congregation for Bishops.

The authority of the prelate has to do only with the specific mission of the Prelature, and is thus in harmony with the authority of the diocesan bishop in regards to the ordinary pastoral care of the faithful of the diocese:

a) The lay faithful of Opus Dei are subject to the authority of the Prelate in all that refers to the fulfillment of the ascetical, formational, and apostolic commitments which they take up by the formal declaration incorporating them into the Prelature. By virtue of their content, these commitments do not interfere with the authority of the diocesan bishop. At the same time, the lay faithful of Opus Dei continue to be faithful of the dioceses in which they reside, and thus remain under the authority of the diocesan bishop in exactly the same way and regarding the same matters as any other baptized person in the diocese.

b) According to the provisions of the general law of the Church and the particular law of Opus Dei, the deacons and priests incardinated in the Prelature belong to the secular clergy and are fully under the authority of the Prelate. They are to foster fraternal relations with the members of the diocesan presbyterate, and observe with all due care the general discipline of the clergy. They can form part of the council of priests of the diocese. Diocesan bishops may, with the prior consent of the Prelate or his vicar, appoint a priest of the presbyterate of the Prelature to a position or office in the diocese (e.g. parish priest or judge). Such a priest will render an account of his work only to the diocesan bishop and will carry it out according to the bishop’s directives.

Opus Dei’s Statutes (title IV, chapter V) lay down criteria for ensuring a harmonious relationship between the Prelature and the dioceses within whose territory the Prelature carries out its specific mission. The Prelature always maintains relations with diocesan authorities, and regularly informs diocesan bishops of its activities. Some characteristics of this relationship are the following:

a) Opus Dei never begins its apostolic work or establishes any center of the Prelature without the prior consent of the local bishop.

b) When it is wished to erect a church of the Prelature, or to entrust to the Prelature an existing church or a parish, an agreement is drawn up between the diocesan bishop and the Prelate or the relevant regional vicar. The general regulations of the diocese governing churches in the care of secular clergy will be observed in such cases.

c) The regional authorities of the Prelature regularly inform and keep in touch with the bishops of dioceses in which the Prelature carries out its pastoral and apostolic work, and also with the bishops who hold positions of government in the episcopal conferences.
[url="http://www.opusdei.org/art.php?w=32&p=10874"]http://www.opusdei.org/art.php?w=32&p=10874[/url][/quote]

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Mar 5 2006, 05:42 AM']I wanted to know why people that support the SSPX don't support the FSSP? Are they viewed as somehow inferior?
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Its because they still do the NOM... Honestly, it's not a good reason. The FSSP is very good.

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 5 2006, 07:12 AM']Bascially i think Trads like that the SSPX is free from the dioscean structure, in the FSSP the Dioscean bishop has some say in wether or not the FSSP comes into the Diocese, where as the SSPX ignores the Bishop.
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ya know why sam...its because the sspx arnt in full union with rome. duh! and the bishops are. the sspx dont think they need to listen...grrr

im not saying though that the bishops make the best choices...but thats not the point. they at least have the popes blessing.

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='thedude' date='Mar 5 2006, 12:14 PM']The FSSP has "given in" as far as most SSPX'ers are concerned.
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your absolutley right. and who cares what the sspx think.