Eucharist

[ayed]

ب س م ا ل ل هـ ا ل ر ح م ن ا ل ر ح ي م بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم

Thank you all,

1-Jesus did not mention wine .

2-Jesus did not say"Hold it at church "

3-What if one of you hold this holy communion at his/her home?

4-Jesus did ask you to hold this event at church?

thank you

Ayed

Edited December 21, 2003 by ayed

[Aloysius]

hmmmm.....

The Bible said He took bread and said "This is my body" and He took wine and said "This is my blood"

He didn't take wine and say "i am holding wine, this is my blood" because there was no reason to. so in a sense, He did not say to use wine. but He did use wine. and After He had done the entire thing He said "Do this in rememberence of me"

now, He was speaking to the Apostles. The Apostles are the priests. so He didn't specifically say to do this in a Church, and it certainly is not now required that we do it in a Church. rather, what is required is that the people who do this in rememberance of Him are successors to the Apostles. They just happen to find it more conveinient to do it in a Church, a place where all can come and see.

so, question by question:

1. Didn't mention it, but used it.

2. Jesus didn't specifically say to hold it at Church, but He did specifically ask His Apostles to do it, and the successors to the Apostles are priests, and priests do it at Church

3. Only a priest can hold it. holding it at a house is perfectly acceptable

4. Nope, but He did want His priests to do it, and at a Church is the best way to make sure all Catholics around know where to come to participate.

[foundsheep]

Ayed,

Peace be with you,

You may read any part of the bible by going to the reading room by clicking the link for the reading room above.

Wine was used throughout the bible including by Jesus. There is even a time when he is accused of being a drunk. Jesus and His apostles where eating thier Jewish passover meal, with which in jewish custom wine is always used. To us Christians this is known as the Last Supper, for our Lord and savior Jesus Christ was cruxified soon after.

Foundsheep

:loco:

[beng]

Ahhh a Moslem

Care to venture this site?

http://www.answering-islam.org

This is an apologetic site to Islam.

It's a Protestant site.

[beng]

Link to MANY Eucharist miracles complete with pictures (click)

Lanciano is in there too.

Edited December 22, 2003 by beng

[CatholicAndFanatical]

It's a Protestant site.

lets not all run over there at once now

:lol:

[CatholicAndFanatical]

oh, nm, that site is just islam, thought maybe it would another anti-catholic site as well.

Quick question: If Abraham is the father of Jews, Jacob the father of Christians, would Issac be the Father of Islam?

just curious.

God Bless,

CatholicAndFanatical

[hopeful1]

oh, nm, that site is just islam, thought maybe it would another anti-catholic site as well.

Quick question: If Abraham is the father of Jews, Jacob the father of Christians, would Issac be the Father of Islam?

just curious.

God Bless,

CatholicAndFanatical

not sure where you are getting jacob the father of christianity from (wouldn't that be Jesus?) but i was always taught by my religion teacher that abraham was the father of the 3 majory monotheistic religions (Judaism, Christianity, and Islam) and moslems trace their ancestry back to abrahams son (throught the concubine Hagar) Ishmael. I even believe the that the kabbah (the black rock)is supposed to be a holy shrine abraham and ishmael built to honor Allah and it's still part of the pilgrimage in Mecca. I think that's what the kabbah is, am i right?

[Donna]

Hello, Ayed. I will emphasize certain things in red.

In the Old Testament, the animal sacrifices were conducted by the Jewish priests, and in a place "set apart" as is fitting for the worship of God, even if the people were in exile and out in the wild.

The last prophetical book in the Old Testament ("Malachias") describes the Triune God as being so angry with the men He set apart to offer sacrifice and mediate on behalf of the people, because they'd corrupted themselves, that He plainly said He would take away their sacrifice of the altar:

"Who is there among you, that will shut the doors, and will

kindle the fire on my altar, gratis? I have no pleasure in you,

saith the Lord of hosts: and I will not receive a gift of your hand." (1:10)

And again:

"Juda hath profaned the holiness of the Lord...and hath married the daughter

of a strange God. The Lord will cut off the man that hath done this, both

the master and the scholar, out of the tabernacles of Jacob, and him that offereth

an offering to the Lord of hosts." (2: parts of 11;12)

Yet we also see a prophecy for the Catholic Mass/priesthood, which will be celebrated "in every place", meaning not in one country (or temple) alone,

but throughout the whole world.

"For from the rising of the sun, even to the going down,

my name is great among the Gentiles, and in every pleace

there is sacrifice, and there is offered to My name a clean

oblation..."

This "clean oblation" is the Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, Jesus Christ. Right reason dictates a set apart place, reverent and guarded, wherein the Holy Sacrifice takes place, where God Himself is present truly and substantially.

[ayed]

In the Name of Allah, The Most Beneficent, The Most Gracious

Thank you all for your comments,

It seems to me that our topic is pell-mell chopped!.So, would you mind sticking to the talking point , ”Eucharist” ?

>Special thanks for Mr.Aloysius’ seriousness,

>>Mr.Hopeful 1 , you are right 100%,

>>>Donna , thank you for your informative comments .

Now, let me ask :

1-The word “Eucharist “is not mentioned in your holy books?

2-Do you accompany all your family to Church for attending the Eucharist?

3-For whom do you pay money ?And why?

4-Do the Father and the Holy Ghost incarnate in the Holy Banquet?

5-Jesus did not say that he will”incarnate”in the Holy supper?

Accept my rememberances,

Ayed4all@hotmail.com

[geetarplayer]

ayed, peace be with you.

"Eucharist" is the Greek word for "Thanksgiving". I don't think it appears in that way in the English translation of the Bible, but perhaps it appears more than once in the Greek translation.

-Mark

[dUSt]

Now, let me ask :

1-The word “Eucharist “is not mentioned in your holy books?

2-Do you accompany all your family to Church for attending the Eucharist?

3-For whom do you pay money ?And why?

4-Do the Father and the Holy Ghost incarnate in the Holy Banquet?

5-Jesus did not say that he will”incarnate”in the Holy supper?

Peace be with you Ayed.

1. Yes, it is in our holy books, but not specifically in the Bible. We not only look to the Bible, but also to writings of the early Church fathers, saints, papal encyclicals, etc. But we believe the Bible to be the only text "written" by God--meaning, the writers were inspired. The Bible + Sacred Tradition make up the complete Word of God.

2. We don't "attend" the Eucharist, we "partake" in it. We attend mass, which is the celebration of the Eucharist. It is customary and good practice for your whole family to go to mass together, when possible--but it isn't necessary. And to answer your previous question, no, mass doesn't have to be said in a Church. Mass can be said anywhere really, as long as you have a priest and the proper requirements.

3. We pay money to the Church, to the poor, the needy, charities, etc. We do this because as a community, we feel that it is God's will that we help our fellow man. We also use money to build churches, shrines, etc to honor God.

4. I'm not sure I understand the question. I think of "incarnate" as someone taking on human form. This is not what happens during mass. Jesus takes the form of bread and wine. We believe that the bread and wine literally turn into Christ.

5. See the above answer.

God bless.

[Paladin D]

Just to let you know Beng. Ayed is a respected Muslim, he isn't Anti-Catholic, he simply wants to understand our beliefs. He lives in the Middle East, so his english isn't as perfect compared to those who grew up in english-speaking countries.

He means no harm, I hope you understand that Beng.

[hyperdulia again]

I can't believe I missed this. Beng I'm deleting your post, it was rude.

[beng]

I can't believe I missed this. Beng I'm deleting your post, it was rude.

What part of it was rude?

His English isn't helping. How is suggesting him to learn English more to make a better question rude?