Thy Geekdom Come Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 Oh, come on...Dr. Hahn's great...he's friendly, humble, intelligent... Oh, and I don't think he's a mediocre scholar. I think he's a brilliant scholar...and I think the proof is in the fact that any average Joe with a year of catechism can understand him. It takes a bright man to study theology. It takes a brighter one to explain it to those who aren't so bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sweetpea316 Posted February 28, 2006 Share Posted February 28, 2006 [quote name='Raphael' date='Feb 28 2006, 04:43 PM']It takes a bright man to study theology. It takes a brighter one to explain it to those who aren't so bright. [right][snapback]900226[/snapback][/right] [/quote] word. That's why I like him. He speaks at my level of understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 JMJ 2/28 - Eighth Tuesday [quote name='Raphael' date='Feb 28 2006, 04:43 PM']Oh, and I don't think he's a mediocre scholar. I think he's a brilliant scholar...and I think the proof is in the fact that any average Joe with a year of catechism can understand him. It takes a bright man to study theology. It takes a brighter one to explain it to those who aren't so bright. [right][snapback]900226[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Explanation and scholarship aren't the same thing. He does the first one well, but the second he doesn't seem to be so hot at. It's like Christopher West - great explainer, but not a scholar. His job isn't to study theology, it's to [i]do[/i] theology. And I'd like to bring up the fact that, about a year ago, I was made a spectacle of on Phatmass because I asserted the same thing you just did - I was told that simple explanation was "imprecise" and not worthy of good theology by many respected members of Phatmass. And they were right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeful1 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Noel's angel' date='Feb 28 2006, 03:45 PM']My Scott Hahan fairytale image has been shattered now. I used to think he'd be really great and helpful and shiny, but now he's just a guy with a beard that is kinda kokey and look like my headmaster... [right][snapback]900154[/snapback][/right] [/quote] and now....my dream ....has been shattered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 JMJ 2/28 - Eighth Tuesday [quote name='hopeful1' date='Feb 28 2006, 07:15 PM']and now....my dream ....has been shattered [right][snapback]900333[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Just because a few of us don't like him doesn't make him a bad guy or mean he thinks bad things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted March 1, 2006 Author Share Posted March 1, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Raphael' date='Feb 28 2006, 05:43 PM']Oh, come on...Dr. Hahn's great...he's friendly, humble, intelligent... Oh, and I don't think he's a mediocre scholar. I think he's a brilliant scholar...and I think the proof is in the fact that any average Joe with a year of catechism can understand him. It takes a bright man to study theology. It takes a brighter one to explain it to those who aren't so bright. [right][snapback]900226[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You also haven't sat through half of a MA class with him. He changed the number of required books (which are always outrageous, usually between 12-20) on the day the class started, I was out $60. He also changed the whole format of the class halfway through which basically forced me to drop it. Having sat through the class, having several encounters with him, I think I can give an honest assessment. There is the good and the bad just like any teacher. And as Pio Nino said, that doesn't make him a brilliant scholar. It makes him a brilliant lay apologist. He's good at simple concepts, very good. When it comes to actually doing theology though I do not think he is brilliant, and I don't think he would necessarily claim to be. Then again, I could be wrong, I'm simply giving my own opinion. I can see how it would be annoying to be loved just because you are "Scott Hahn" and wonder if it ever gets under his skin. I know I wouldn't want to be idolized the way so many people do. Of the heavy hitters at FUS, I lean towards Dr. Martin and Dr. Bergsma, though I haven't had all of the teachers at FUS yet. I don't not like Scott Hahn, I just don't put him anywhere near on the pedestal I used to. Edited March 1, 2006 by Brother Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgirl Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Pio Nono' date='Feb 28 2006, 01:11 PM']JMJ 2/28 - Eighth Tuesday From what I've read of his, I'd say that I agree - nice guy, knows his stuff, but is a mediocre scholar. [right][snapback]900069[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's why I never took him. Everybody always asks me how he was, and I say, "I don't know, but I really liked Dr. Martin!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 28 2006, 04:47 PM']I just rub Dr. Hahn the wrong way for some reason. [right][snapback]900158[/snapback][/right] [/quote] maybe you should give him another chance? I've never met the guy in person, but he seems kind of intimidating on TV. maybe that's it? or mabe you intimidate him. [quote name='Theoketos' date='Feb 28 2006, 04:55 PM']Maybe not the thing that should be shared in a public forum? Sorry that you feel alienated though, I hate feeling that way. [right][snapback]900168[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree. I think his nephew posts here on occassion. it is always best to leave these things to ourselves and not ruin the good name of others. [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 28 2006, 09:18 PM']You also haven't sat through half of a MA class with him. He changed the number of required books (which are always outrageous, usually between 12-20) on the day the class started, I was out $60. He also changed the whole format of the class halfway through which basically forced me to drop it. Having sat through the class, having several encounters with him, I think I can give an honest assessment. There is the good and the bad just like any teacher. And as Pio Nino said, that doesn't make him a brilliant scholar. It makes him a brilliant lay apologist. He's good at simple concepts, very good. When it comes to actually doing theology though I do not think he is brilliant, and I don't think he would necessarily claim to be. Then again, I could be wrong, I'm simply giving my own opinion. I can see how it would be annoying to be loved just because you are "Scott Hahn" and wonder if it ever gets under his skin. I know I wouldn't want to be idolized the way so many people do. Of the heavy hitters at FUS, I lean towards Dr. Martin and Dr. Bergsma, though I haven't had all of the teachers at FUS yet. I don't not like Scott Hahn, I just don't put him anywhere near on the pedestal I used to. [right][snapback]900337[/snapback][/right] [/quote] if what you say is true, then I'd definitely have a problem with the way he teaches. I can't stand it when professors are inconsistent + make changes in their syllabii. I also don't like having to buy extra books, or buying books and then being told that they won't be used. but it is his class, and he can teach it the way he wants. remember, he's the one with the doctorate (s) and you're the student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I don't think Scott Hahn [i]intends[/i] to be a book worm off studying St. Obscuro in a medievel dungeon. His mission as a theologian, as far as I can tell, is to bring theology to the massess. If he wanted to go off and study St. Obscuro, I think he could handle himself rather well. No slouch, he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 28 2006, 11:21 PM']I don't think Scott Hahn [i]intends[/i] to be a book worm off studying St. Obscuro in a medievel dungeon. His mission as a theologian, as far as I can tell, is to bring theology to the massess. [/quote] Like Ratzinger says in the first few pages of [i]Introduction to Christianity[/i] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamiller42 Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I saw him live once. I read a number of his books. He seems very knowledgeable to me and insightful. Is he a nice guy? Is he an organized guy (reference to changing class)? I don't know. I didn't sit down in a café and have a discussion with him. I know his thoughts seem well organized, but I have no idea whether he can keep his Trapper Keeper in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N/A Gone Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 scott hahn could be great to the ecumenical movement. But he is too simple, like a worse lucido. Im very unimpressed with anything of his in more than a chapter format. I was told to not go to Steubanville, rather im going to st. thomas. I have a patristics prof that went to a phd course with hahn...he wasnt impressed either. Called him a fundy that only got his doctorate because the director in charge of his disertation only pased him cause he was afraid to fail anybody. and now that prof regrets passing him and has not passed people who have done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Revprodeji' date='Mar 1 2006, 06:06 AM']Called him a fundy [right][snapback]900578[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yep, that describes Charismatihahn to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Domini Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 I say this VERY tentatively and to nobody in particular given that its Ash Wednesday but are we all aware that detraction is a sin? Is this discussion really the best way to start Lent? I'm not pointing the finger...just asking, thats all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted March 1, 2006 Share Posted March 1, 2006 [quote name='Sojourner' date='Feb 28 2006, 08:54 PM']Perhaps it's your good looks and charm. [right][snapback]900165[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Maybe he has been growing a little facial hair... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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