Inquisitor and neo-Catholics

[Socrates]

[quote]Evangelization, Hip Hop, and Phatmass
There has been a debate raging in certain traditionalist circles concerning the efficacy of Hip Hop in evangelizing young people and whether or not this might, in fact, be counterproductive. At the center of this debate, of course, is the website Phatmass, whose neo-Catholic propaganda and practices are correctly deemed offensive by all traditionalists. Here is what one poster, Maurice Pinay, has to say on the issue:
The great Archbishop Lefebvre, whom "phatmassers" tend to disrespectfully characterize as a "disobedient schismatic" was, in fact, one of the greatest missionaries of the 20th century. He was a missionary who went into heathen Africa and brought the true Catholic faith and Catholic civilization to tens of thousands of lost souls. He led tens of thousands of heathens from the darkness of their uncivilized wretchedness to the light of Christian civilization.

I suppose that it should surprise no one that the anti-missionaries of "phatmass," who undo the work of the Church's great missionaries of the past by "evangelizing" the West with uncivilized "culture," false obedience and modernist, Judaizing errors, would have such enmity for a true missionary like Archbishop Lefebvre.
Obviously, we agree wholeheartedly with Maurice. What's interesting is that the saintly Archbishop himself also seems to agree. Here are his words for then Cardinal Ratzinger:
[W]e work in two diametrically opposed directions: you, you work for the de-Christianization of society, of the human person, and of the Church, and we, we work for its Christianization.[/quote]



Oooooh! Phatmass is EEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeevil!

[rkwright]

I feel like the ultra trads give us a lot of carp also. Though some how I've only run into these people online, never in my Parish? They're so concerned with proving everyone else wrong sometimes I think they miss the point. How many topics do you see that say like 'Indult mass is bad' or 'Trads are bad' or 'Latin Bad\English good'? Yet how often do we see some 'ultra trad' telling us (phatmassers) something is defcient or wrong with one of the sacraments.

[Guest DominusTecum]

It is because, dear sir, you are neo-Catholics. You do not go along with the traditional faith as practiced pre-VII, instead, you have acquiesced fully in the reign of novelty. You condemn the Archbishop for his heroic defense of tradition, and you listen to and promote sickening modern music. This thread has given me no end of enjoyment. I was even persuaded to blog on it.

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Archbishop Lefebvre, Ora Pro Nobis
Eric

[Era Might]

[quote]It is because, dear sir, you are neo-Catholics.[/quote]



[quote]It is, moreover, Our will that Catholics should abstain from certain appellations which have recently been brought into use to distinguish one group of Catholics from another. They are to be avoided not only as "profane novelties of words," out of harmony with both truth and justice, but also because they give rise to great trouble and confusion among Catholics. Such is the nature of Catholicism that it does not admit of more or less, but must be held as a whole or as a whole rejected: "This is the Catholic faith, which unless a man believe faithfully and firmly; he cannot be saved" (Athanas. Creed). There is no need of adding any qualifying terms to the profession of Catholicism: it is quite enough for each one to proclaim "Christian is my name and Catholic my surname," only let him endeavour to be in reality what he calls himself."

--Pope Benedict XV, Encyclical Letter "Ad Beatissimi Apostolorum"[/quote]

[philothea]

[quote name='DominusTecum' date='Feb 20 2006, 06:43 PM']It is because, dear sir, you are neo-Catholics. You do not go along with the traditional faith as practiced pre-VII, instead, you have acquiesced fully in the reign of novelty. You condemn the Archbishop for his heroic defense of tradition, and you listen to and promote sickening modern music. This thread has given me no end of enjoyment. I was even persuaded to blog on it.

[url="http://vivechristusrex.blogspot.com/2006/02/phatmass-and-other-neo-con-dredgings.html"]http://vivechristusrex.blogspot.com/2006/0...-dredgings.html[/url]

Archbishop Lefebvre, Ora Pro Nobis
Eric
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Your logic is so weak I can only hope you are being sarcastic...

If the Church can go wrong, you never had anything real to believe in. If the Church cannot go wrong, you have abandoned her.

[Guest DominusTecum]

Would you rather I called you "heretics?" This appelation is not attached to Catholics, per se, but to those who have deviated from the faith, perhaps consciously, perhaps unconsciously, and can thus no longer be accounted the normal term "Catholic." However, their errors are not grievous, formal, or pertinacious enough to merit the appelation "heretic." Consequently, just as you have given Catholics the prefix "trad," so we give you the title of "NeoCath." "Indultarian" works as well, I suppose.

[Myles Domini]

[quote name='DominusTecum' date='Feb 21 2006, 01:06 AM']Would you rather I called you "heretics?" This appelation is not attached to Catholics, per se, but to those who have deviated from the faith, perhaps consciously, perhaps unconsciously, and can thus no longer be accounted the normal term "Catholic." However, their errors are not grievous, formal, or pertinacious enough to merit the appelation "heretic." Consequently, just as you have given Catholics the prefix "trad," so we give you the title of "NeoCath." "Indultarian" works as well, I suppose.
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No by all means use the word heretic. Its definitional and it will clear up a few things we've been debating with Brendan today that is: The SSPX have definitvely broken with the Catholic Church, consider that Church heretical and are thus formally in schism from it.

[Socrates]

[quote name='DominusTecum' date='Feb 20 2006, 06:43 PM']It is because, dear sir, you are neo-Catholics. You do not go along with the traditional faith as practiced pre-VII, instead, you have acquiesced fully in the reign of novelty. You condemn the Archbishop for his heroic defense of tradition, and you listen to and promote sickening modern music. This thread has given me no end of enjoyment. I was even persuaded to blog on it.

[url="http://vivechristusrex.blogspot.com/2006/02/phatmass-and-other-neo-con-dredgings.html"]http://vivechristusrex.blogspot.com/2006/0...-dredgings.html[/url]

Archbishop Lefebvre, Ora Pro Nobis
Eric
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Dear sir,

I found your blog quite an entertaining and brilliant piece of satire!
Thanks for the link!

It provided an entertaining, if unsubtle, parody of "rad-trad" rantings, in the form of a mock-traditionalist diatribe containing all the intelligence, rationality, objectivity, and well-researched attention to factual detail as a typical Jack Chick comic strip.

While highly amusing in its excesses, I thought it was somewhat unfair to many of a "traditionalist" persusasion, who would no doubt find its mockery of their screeds offensive. While no doubt well-intentioned in its criticism-by-parody of a certain small-mindedness in certain "rad-trad" schismatic circles, it is no doubt unfair to present all "Trads" as such babbling imbeciles.
However, I must admit it did make me laugh, and is does provide humorous satire for those not easily offended at its presentation of Traditionalists as simple-minded bigots and raving lunatics.

[Era Might]

[quote name='DominusTecum' date='Feb 20 2006, 09:06 PM']Would you rather I called you "heretics?" This appelation is not attached to Catholics, per se, but to those who have deviated from the faith, perhaps consciously, perhaps unconsciously, and can thus no longer be accounted the normal term "Catholic." However, their errors are not grievous, formal, or pertinacious enough to merit the appelation "heretic." Consequently, just as you have given Catholics the prefix "trad," so we give you the title of "NeoCath." "Indultarian" works as well, I suppose.
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I have not given anyone the prefix "trad". I refer to people as "Traditionalists" when they self-identify themselves that way.

And yes, I would rather you called us heretics, as there is no such thing as a "neo-Catholic". One is either Catholic or he is not.

Incidentally, you do not have the authority to declare someone a heretic. If you have a complaint against other Catholics, bring it up with their Bishop. If the Bishop sees fit, he will declare us heretics.

Until then, refrain from using disparaging titles to distinguish one Catholic from another, as the Church has condemned this.

Edited February 21, 2006 by Era Might

[philothea]

[quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 20 2006, 07:17 PM']Dear sir,

I found your blog quite an entertaining and brilliant piece of satire!
Thanks for the link!

It provided an entertaining, if unsubtle, parody of "rad-trad" rantings, in the form of a mock-traditionalist diatribe containing all the intelligence, rationality, objectivity, and well-researched attention to factual detail as a typical Jack Chick comic strip.

While highly amusing in its excesses, I thought it was somewhat unfair to many of a "traditionalist" persusasion, who would no doubt find its mockery of their screeds offensive.  While no doubt well-intentioned in its criticism-by-parody of a certain small-mindedness in certain "rad-trad" schismatic circles, it is no doubt unfair to present all "Trads" as such babbling imbeciles.
However, I must admit it did make me laugh, and is does provide humorous satire for those not easily offended at its presentation of Traditionalists as simple-minded bigots and raving lunatics.
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Snicker.

[Cam42]

We must be doing something right to get all these folks over here lately......

[philothea]

[quote name='Cam42' date='Feb 20 2006, 07:29 PM']We must be doing something right to get all these folks over here lately......


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And isn't it sweet to see the pham all in agreement?

[Era Might]

[quote]So I walk up the street whistlin' this
Feelin' out of place cuz, man, do I miss
A pen and a paper, a stereo, a tape of
Me and Eric B, and a nice big plate of
[b]Fish[/b], which is my favorite dish
But without no money it's still a wish

--Rakim, "Paid in Full"[/quote]

[Cam42]

[quote name='philothea' date='Feb 20 2006, 09:40 PM']

And isn't it sweet to see the pham all in agreement?
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Yep. It sure is......

[God Conquers]

I think it's clear there is a problem when Archbishop Lefebvre, not deserving of all the vehemence we sometimes give him, is nonetheless praised over Blessed John XXIII, John Paul II and Benedict XVI.

It says alot.

It certainly doesn't make the argument that SSPX isn't in schism very credible, if you prefer to follow a local and dissident Archbishop over the sitting pope.