Don John of Austria Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 She's serious. The deacon there was also a panthiest and taught Panthiesm in the RCIA program. this is not hearsay I was there when he did it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 why not go to a diff parish dUSt? Because my parish is Catholic, and it's closer to my house.... and, how would I help my parish if I left it? The tabernacle is in another building!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I deon't even know were to begin. Well, there's sorta a reason, even though I don't agree with the reason. See, my parish is fairly new, and before we built our "main worship space" (the church), we held mass in what is now considered the main hall. At the time, we had a small chapel next to the main hall, and in that small chapel was a place for the tabernacle. When we got around to building the "main worship space" (the church), we simply left the tabernacle where it was, in the smaller chapel across the courtyard. There's a lot of things about my parish that kinda bother me, like the altar not being defined--a lot of people literally walk straight across the altar when leaving mass to get out the door. Me and my brother have been trying to set an example when passing the altar by bowing, but so far it's had little affect. haha All I can do is keep being the best Catholic I can. Can't really worry about stuff like that until I'm in a better position to make some changes. All I can do is continue trying to set an example and hope that it rubs off on a few people around me. I've never sat down with my deacon to talk about it, so I can't judge without doing that first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Do ya'll genuflect when you come in, I mean what do you genuflect too, Christ isn't in there, He's across the courtyard. I' m speachless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Don John is correct, you shouldn't bow or genuflect towards the table (alter) you bow towards the tabernacle. I was in a church once and had to bow to the right, I felt rather like a Mohammedian bowing towards Mecca. Technically, the church you belong to is your diocese. You just happen to worship in your parish. For example, my church is the Arch Diocese of Indianapolis and I worship at St. Mary's parish. A small distinction, but accurate nonetheless. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donna Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Is it prudent, when above all else a soul is to keep the Catholic Faith, to willingly be under the authority of those not anxious to keep that deposit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Is it prudent, when above all else a soul is to keep the Catholic Faith, to willingly be under the authority of those not anxious to keep that deposit? It is prudent to help make a change in a parish instead of abandoning it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Because my parish is Catholic, and it's closer to my house.... and, how would I help my parish if I left it? Well, there's sorta a reason, even though I don't agree with the reason. See, my parish is fairly new, and before we built our "main worship space" (the church), we held mass in what is now considered the main hall. At the time, we had a small chapel next to the main hall, and in that small chapel was a place for the tabernacle. When we got around to building the "main worship space" (the church), we simply left the tabernacle where it was, in the smaller chapel across the courtyard. There's a lot of things about my parish that kinda bother me, like the altar not being defined--a lot of people literally walk straight across the altar when leaving mass to get out the door. Me and my brother have been trying to set an example when passing the altar by bowing, but so far it's had little affect. haha All I can do is keep being the best Catholic I can. Can't really worry about stuff like that until I'm in a better position to make some changes. All I can do is continue trying to set an example and hope that it rubs off on a few people around me. I've never sat down with my deacon to talk about it, so I can't judge without doing that first. How do you have an "undefined " altar? Its like saying your a little bit pregnant. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 Do ya'll genuflect when you come in, I mean what do you genuflect too, Christ isn't in there, He's across the courtyard. I' m speachless. Back when I was in college and the new priest at the Newman center rearranged the chapel and moved the tabernacle to a side room, I just made a comment out loud "Where do I genuflect to?". Maybe if enough people at the parish pestered the priest with these types of questions, the parish would think twice before making such decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted December 17, 2003 Share Posted December 17, 2003 How do you have an "undefined " altar? Its like saying your a little bit pregnant. Like this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chasinghim Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 hey guys this is my first post and let me start by saying i am not a catholic but I am a follower of Jesus trying to become more like him everyday...and in my opinion the church is the body of people who worship God not the building in which it is done...In other words a the church is a community of believers...so in either case it means the same thing...and it doesnt matter what a building is called just as long as God is worshiped there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PedroX Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 ChasingHim, Welcome to PhatMass! Hope you take the time to check in on the thread in the Open Mic board.(was that a crazy run-on sentence or what?) You are mostly correct. However, this discussion has been mostly about important but technical point on where we worship. How we do things is important. We do things for a reason, and those actions have meaning. When we bow towards the Tabernacle we recognize that Jesus is present in what we call "The Real Presence". Calling a building a "church" is an important disctinction, so that we are proclaiming to people who we are. peace... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZmeFly Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 (edited) i can make out a altar in that pic. Even if the turbenacale is not present surley there is something of Eurcharistic presence after mass, right? Unless the priest finishes and consumes all that is left. If there is a Eucharistic Presence after Mass then it is right for you to bow. I think if you had a priest you probably wouldn't have that situation. It would be better to try and change the situation than to abandon that church. Looks like you are going to have to pay attention to whats going on just in case things get way out of hand. Edited December 19, 2003 by ZmeFly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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