hopeful1 Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 i'm not going to say either way how i feel about the subject ( b/c i really haven't been thinking about the subject that much, i've been concentrating on finals the past week), but i would agree that most americans would probably like to see the guy executed. but even if we did plea bargain with him if he helps us find other terrorists, how do we know if he's giving us false information? Can we even trust the guy? Just a thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JP2Iloveyou Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 we already have gained information from him. We found him with documents linking him with known terrorists and he has already given us the names and locations of some other people we were looking for. As for anything more than that, time will tell but we have the best interrogators who will systematicly break him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellenita Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 It is absolutely vital that he is tried and sentenced by the courts in Iraq. I think if the US does it, there will be a massive negative reaction among the arab nations. I'm fundamentally opposed to the death penalty, as is my government. We've had people who were given the death penalty here who were later proved innocent of their crimes through the advancement of forensic tests - of course they receive posthumos pardons, but alot of good that does them! Of course there is no question of Saddams guilt and he should pay for the crimes he committed. However, it would be a really new beginning for Iraq if they could bring themselves to consider the sort of justice that South Africa and Rwanda have both adopted in the truth and reconciliation courts - I'm sure that is helping the healing process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 He is an Iraqi murderer, let the Iraqis decide his fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CICCIO Posted December 18, 2003 Author Share Posted December 18, 2003 let them decide his fate, but encourage respect for his LIFE, even though he didnt have any for theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 i still stand by an objective truth that human life is sacred and no one shoul dbe removed from that right. Its such a sticky situation though. CICCIO, I'm pretty sure you misunderstand the teachings of the Catholic Church. Can you show me where it teaches this in the Catechism? All human life IS sacred, but when we choose freely to commit life, the effects of our acts against innocents also affects our own life. That is the Justice part. God is perfect Justice AND Mercy. I'm trying to not be harsh or smartalecky. You really might be reading part of the Catechism a certain way. Maybe you will enlighten me. jasJis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vianney Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 I hate to break this to you but ALOT of Christians believe in the death penalty and support it. So really Bush is Christian and he isnt going against hi beliefs. We as Catholics see it as wrong but not all Christians do infact I would say a large majority dont. Second off I find it ironic how we claim Bush is more corrupt then Clinton because of this war. AM I THE ONLY ONE who thinks that what Bush did showed VIRTUE, and HONOR. Just like the Lord Of The Rings, no gain without sacrifice. Bush stood up in the face of optimisim and overthrew a evil tyrannt and we act like he is sooo immoral to defend how sexually perverse Clinton and his "sex kittens" were. (Sorry I am angry) I just dont understand peoples reasoning here. Maybe it just comes down to political belifs and that is hy we are having such differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 18, 2003 Share Posted December 18, 2003 I hate to break this to you but ALOT of Christians believe in the death penalty and support it. So really Bush is Christian and he isnt going against hi beliefs. We as Catholics see it as wrong but not all Christians do infact I would say a large majority dont. Second off I find it ironic how we claim Bush is more corrupt then Clinton because of this war. AM I THE ONLY ONE who thinks that what Bush did showed VIRTUE, and HONOR. Just like the Lord Of The Rings, no gain without sacrifice. Bush stood up in the face of optimisim and overthrew a evil tyrannt and we act like he is sooo immoral to defend how sexually perverse Clinton and his "sex kittens" were. (Sorry I am angry) I just dont understand peoples reasoning here. Maybe it just comes down to political belifs and that is hy we are having such differences. word Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CICCIO Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 (edited) perhaps i am mistaken, but i was under the impression that nothing and take away ones right to life. I'll go look for where i got that idea from, but thanks for pointing put that you uestion my knowledge. I'm always open to helpful criticism. (that doesnt mean i have to like it though) Also, just a question, is it not possible that other Christian religions have some ideas/beliefs wrong? True, Bush might be a good Christian in his denomination, what ever it is, but i wonder does that make his position right? Don't some protestant Christians accept the use of contraceptives? Do we not as Catholics, as many other Christians i asume, teach that is against the nature of sex and procreation? Idk, i'm nto trying to confrontational or anything. Just asking Q's and putting in my two cents. p.s It's late so i'll send my self an e-mail to remind me to look for that info :-D Edited December 19, 2003 by CICCIO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I hate to break this to you but ALOT of Christians believe in the death penalty and support it. So really Bush is Christian and he isnt going against hi beliefs. We as Catholics see it as wrong but not all Christians do infact I would say a large majority dont. Second off I find it ironic how we claim Bush is more corrupt then Clinton because of this war. AM I THE ONLY ONE who thinks that what Bush did showed VIRTUE, and HONOR. Just like the Lord Of The Rings, no gain without sacrifice. Bush stood up in the face of optimisim and overthrew a evil tyrannt and we act like he is sooo immoral to defend how sexually perverse Clinton and his "sex kittens" were. (Sorry I am angry) I just dont understand peoples reasoning here. Maybe it just comes down to political belifs and that is hy we are having such differences. Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winchester Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 Since the Church supports the death penalty in some cases, I heartily diagree with your premises. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inDEED Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 word I like when cmom says "Word"... :D Oh...and I agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CICCIO Posted December 19, 2003 Author Share Posted December 19, 2003 Winchester, are you talking to me? If so, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geetarplayer Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 He is the former Governor of Texas. I'm not surprised he wants the death penalty. I think the death penalty is always wrong. We have no right to play God and to say who lives and who doesn't. We can certainly keep criminals from doing anymore wrong by putting them in maximum security prisons, solitary confinement, super duper lockdowns, etcetera, but I think killing is not the way to go, in this case, anyway. -Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted December 19, 2003 Share Posted December 19, 2003 I am against the death penalty in many cases but not all. I tihnk prisoners who kill other prisoners, mass murderers etc should face the possibility of the death penalty. I was always taught as a Catholic, when you deliberately murder someone, you have forfeited your right to life and should face final justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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