Iacobus Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 CMS. I have one of my history essays due this week and this is the first class where there has to be formal cititons using CMS (until now we all had the same documents so refs like Doc. 3.D.1 worked). I am not yet sure if I hate it or love it. I cite everything, part of the science student in me, it is too dangerous not to cite everything, I mean, what if, three years from now, you are wondering what something came from? You can't very well assume it was from the other sources used in the same context, it has to be recorded at the time. (We drive people nuts with things like, "But if we record it in our notebooks and then enter it from the notebook into the computer then we only have one record of the data, the computer data is from the notebook. To have two records, we have to record it in the notebook, check the scale again and then record that value in the computer" chemistry students, don't ask). And the prof doesn't want endnotes, we have to use footnotes. CMS strict says to leave four lines of blank space between the last line of text and the first footnote, which is so sweet. The footnotes count as part of our five pages, meaning we have to write massively less then we used to have to. And we can use cool things like... ibid. Except, we have to use supersrcipts and mess with Word forever. Which I hate. I can't decide if it is nice to be able to use "ibid" and use up page space for footnotes or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 LOL, there's this program called Endnote. If you're a student you should be able to get it for $100. It saves you UBER amounts of time. www.endnote.com I think.... You can even switch between styles! i.e., APA to CMS to MLA and back again, all with a click of the mouse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I'm assuming you're talking about the humanities version in the Chicago Style Manual. I only know the scientific version, which I think is just dandy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Birgitta Noel' date='Feb 15 2006, 08:37 PM']LOL, there's this program called Endnote. If you're a student you should be able to get it for $100. It saves you UBER amounts of time. www.endnote.com I think.... You can even switch between styles! i.e., APA to CMS to MLA and back again, all with a click of the mouse! [right][snapback]888854[/snapback][/right] [/quote] We have refworks.com for free here. Does all that stuff... and it is webbased, no downloading required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Ok, that works too! So, why not use that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortnun Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I have some things to say.... when I say "HATE"- I pretty much mean it. I am a mutt when it comes to citations. I primarily used MLA in undergrad (parentheticals), though I did have to use APA in my psych papers. And after HATING switching to Turabian/Chicago this past semester, I'm now liking it a little bit more. I still think MLA is better, but I am clearly biased. Also, footnotes are 10,000 times better than endnotes. Nothing bothers me more than flipping to the back of a book to find a citation. Also, it is helpful in papers that they take up space on the page. Though beware the professor who looks for footnotes that take up too much of your page. And, I like ibid. Thanks for reading my rant. THE END. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='Birgitta Noel' date='Feb 15 2006, 09:35 PM']Ok, that works too! So, why not use that? [right][snapback]888910[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I am for my works cited page. I just want to be "Old School" and put the footnotes in by hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iacobus Posted February 16, 2006 Author Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='shortnun' date='Feb 15 2006, 09:36 PM']I have some things to say.... when I say "HATE"- I pretty much mean it. I am a mutt when it comes to citations. I primarily used MLA in undergrad (parentheticals), though I did have to use APA in my psych papers. And after HATING switching to Turabian/Chicago this past semester, I'm now liking it a little bit more. I still think MLA is better, but I am clearly biased. Also, footnotes are 10,000 times better than endnotes. Nothing bothers me more than flipping to the back of a book to find a citation. Also, it is helpful in papers that they take up space on the page. Though beware the professor who looks for footnotes that take up too much of your page. And, I like ibid. Thanks for reading my rant. THE END. [right][snapback]888911[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah, I know how that is with hate. I hate MLA. Science student... sorry. But then again, I am not sure having a different format for every journal is to my advantage... I laughed at refworks.com because they listed out things like... Annual Review of Ent. Cell ACS etc. Now I know why. We have a std. cit. form for the chem dept here (So does bio but they aren't as good as us) which is nice, I guess. I agree footnotes are far better then endnotes. More "checkable," I guess. I would like to see where some of your data is coming from. However, it gets excessive, I love reading my copy of the New American Bible. Sometimes, esp in Rev, I am not sure if I am supposed to read the text in big font or the footnotes because the footnotes take up ~75% or more of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 Chicago Manual Style? Is that some kind of shifting technique in street racing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EAnn246 Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I hate Chicago Manual style. I'm an English major. All I use is MLA. I had to write papers last semester in a history class and was ready to throw Chicago Manual style out the window! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortnun Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='EAnn246' date='Feb 15 2006, 11:59 PM']I hate Chicago Manual style. I'm an English major. All I use is MLA. I had to write papers last semester in a history class and was ready to throw Chicago Manual style out the window! [right][snapback]888954[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I think it largely depends on which you were introduced to first. Many friends who had to do Chicago/Turabian in undergrad don't mind it now. But if they did MLA first like me, this switchover is KILLER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortnun Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 (edited) Oh, so people want examples..... [b]MLA:[/b] Okuda, Michael, and Denise Okuda. [u]Star Trek Chronology: The History of the Future.[/u] New York: Pocket, 1993. [b]Chicago/Turabian:[/b] Lloyd, Donald A., and Harry R. Warfel. [i]American English and Its Cultural Setting. [/i]New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1956. [b]APA:[/b] Nicol, A. A. M., & Pexman, P. M. (1999). [i]Presenting your findings: A practical guide for creating tables.[/i] Washington, DC: American Psychological Association. Those are just examples of how you would cite a book in a bibliography. It gets way more complicated if you're citing an article, or just a chapter of a book. And then it also depends if you're foot noting, end noting, etc etc etc.......... EDIT: Oh, and the second lines of the citations would be intented five spaces. Edited February 16, 2006 by shortnun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgirl Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I absolutely love CMS! I was in French literature where MLA is the gold standard, but CMS looks so much cleaner. I loved it when I got the choice between Turabian and MLA, and I always went with the Chicago Manual of Style! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 I have a question: why is it called Turabian? I've always wondered that.... When I pronounce it in my head it usually comes out Turbarian. I'm weird, I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortnun Posted February 16, 2006 Share Posted February 16, 2006 [quote name='morostheos' date='Feb 16 2006, 02:04 PM']I have a question: why is it called Turabian? I've always wondered that.... When I pronounce it in my head it usually comes out Turbarian. I'm weird, I know. [right][snapback]889324[/snapback][/right] [/quote] After a one, Kate L. Turabian.... who--God rest her soul--comes back from the dead to haunt unsuspecting college students with all sorts of rules about indented footnotes and the differences between books with one author and books published by the editor. [quote]Turabian was the graduate school dissertation secretary at the University of Chicago from 1930 to 1958. The school required her approval for every master's thesis and doctoral dissertation. Her stylistic rules closely follow the University of Chicago's Manual of Style. Her book A Manual for Writers of Term Papers, Theses, and Dissertations and its associated style are generally referred to as "Turabian". [b][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kate_L._Turabian"]from wikipedia[/url][/b][/quote] Imagine if you created a way to torture students that even after you've been dead for 19 years, people still grumble after your name is muttered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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