Gays to protest Flyn Mass

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Feb 12 2006, 07:04 PM']I shouldn't include this but am going to.  This parish needs to be shut down.  This was in the St. Joan of Arc parish bulletin.

Here is the excerpt from the February 5th St. Joan of Arc Bulletin: World Marriage Sunday: Next Sunday, Feb. 12 is a celebration of World Marriage Sunday. On the 12th, we will have postcards available outside the gym entrances to send to MN state senators with your message regarding the proposed "Minnesota Marriage Amendment." Also, you are invited to attend a rally on the 12th sponsored by Catholics for Equality at 12:30 on the steps of the Cathedral. This is a peaceful rally prayerfully calling upon Archbishop Flynn to withdraw his support for the amendment.



Operative words on the postcards being “…with your message…” {italics added}
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And this shocks you somehow... ?

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Feb 13 2006, 06:24 AM']Somebody explain what is going on please?

who is Flynn?
and what do the rainbow sasher have to do with this?
Thanks.
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Flynn is Archbishop Harry Flynn. He is the AB of the Minneapolis/St. Paul Archdiocese. The Rainbow Sash group is a pro-gay group that has in the past protested at Catholic Masses by wearing a rainbow sash as an expression of the pro-gay views. They have gone to communion wearing them and some Bishops have denied them communion. Flynn allowed them to recieve it for several years. Then last year he denied them communion. Now there is an effort to have a Defense of Marriage Amendment in Minnesota and Flynn is openly in support of it. The Rainbow Sash gays are opposing him and planned a protest yesterday at a Mass.

I didn't hear anything on the news last night or this morning. Seems like it might have been a non-event. The cold might have had something to do with it.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Feb 13 2006, 06:52 AM']And this shocks you somehow... ?
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Not anymore. You know the history.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Feb 13 2006, 06:52 AM']And this shocks you somehow... ?
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Actually I had hoped that since Wertin retired their might be some improvement. It looks as though there isn't much.

[homeschoolmom]

Some flocks will not be led...

[Quietfire]

Thanks, now Im up to speed on this.

So nothing on the news last night? Maybe checking with the archdiocese site for any updates?

Does anyone know why AB Flynn had a change of heart in reference to denying communion for rainbow sashers? I support him in this, but I was wondering why he did allow it for years and then denied it and now supports the DoMa.

Pax

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Feb 13 2006, 07:19 AM']Thanks, now Im up to speed on this.

So nothing on the news last night?  Maybe checking with the archdiocese site for any updates?

Does anyone know why AB Flynn had a change of heart in reference to denying communion for rainbow sashers?  I support him in this, but I was wondering why he did allow it for years and then denied it and now supports the DoMa.

Pax
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There may be something on the website later in the week.

[url="http://www.thecatholicspirit.com/archives.php?article=3964"]http://www.thecatholicspirit.com/archives.php?article=3964[/url]


“It has become apparent to me that the wearing of the sash is more and more perceived as a protest against church teaching,” Archbishop Flynn wrote.

As evidence, the archbishop cited a Nov. 7 Cathedral Mass in which the presider, Father Ralph Talbot, asked Rainbow Sash members to remove their sashes before receiving Communion, and some did not.

“Locally, people wearing the sash did not honor Father Talbot’s request to remove the sash prior to receiving the Eucharist. Brian, the fact that you personally chose to confront Father Talbot after that Mass confirms the adversarial nature of your appearance at the Mass.”

Archbishop Flynn also wrote that the Vatican had informed him that it considers wearing the rainbow sash during reception of the Eucharist unacceptable, “a directive that I believe all bishops will adhere to.”

Edited February 13, 2006 by thessalonian

[Nathan]

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Bingo. Now do something about it.

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[thessalonian]

[quote name='Nathan' date='Feb 13 2006, 08:15 AM']Bingo. Now do something about it.
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He did.

[khouse]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Feb 13 2006, 12:30 AM']Oh, I'm sure that some people out there resembling a Catholic version of the Hitler Youth will call me "un-Catholic" for saying this, but I find the suggestions of implied "gay bashing" and calls to violent retaliation to be really out of line, and I honestly can't believe what I'm reading. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I am not sure how this kind of response is the way to go about making the situation any better.

No wonder people view the Church the way they do. Granted, some people take doctrine wrongly as a personal offense, but this kind of response seems to give opponents more to run on.
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I %100 agree. I read a story in this book about an ex-gay giving a speach to Christian group and he was disrupted by a really loud group of lesbians that stormed the stage. One got in his face and was yelling and he just asked "Can I give you a hug?" and she did not know how to react. I think you can disarm situations with love much better than returning anger and violence. If anything, thats what these protesters want, they want a reaction of anger and violence.

[DemonSlayer]

I've never heard of Archbishop Flynn before, but what they're doing sounds incredibly stupid and out of line.

Edited February 13, 2006 by DemonSlayer

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Feb 13 2006, 01:30 AM']Oh, I'm sure that some people out there resembling a Catholic version of the Hitler Youth will call me "un-Catholic" for saying this, but I find the suggestions of implied "gay bashing" and calls to violent retaliation to be really out of line, and I honestly can't believe what I'm reading. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I am not sure how this kind of response is the way to go about making the situation any better.

No wonder people view the Church the way they do. Granted, some people take doctrine wrongly as a personal offense, but this kind of response seems to give opponents more to run on.
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Its not gay-bashing. Its a male-get-out-of-my-face reaction the same as if somebody took at swing at your mom thing.

[Church Punk]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Feb 13 2006, 02:30 AM']Oh, I'm sure that some people out there resembling a Catholic version of the Hitler Youth will call me "un-Catholic" for saying this, but I find the suggestions of implied "gay bashing" and calls to violent retaliation to be really out of line, and I honestly can't believe what I'm reading. Maybe I'm missing something here, but I am not sure how this kind of response is the way to go about making the situation any better.

No wonder people view the Church the way they do. Granted, some people take doctrine wrongly as a personal offense, but this kind of response seems to give opponents more to run on.
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I agree with you. A rosary rally out side the Church would be called for, perhaps a procession of the Holy Eucharist in the Monstrance would be even more effective. The protestors would have the opportunity to see Jesus with their own 2 eyes. Like they are looking him in directly in the eye.

We do not cast judgment upon them. Let Jesus do it. We do not know the status of their hearts. Perhaps they will learn something from being at the Cathedral. Given the change Jesus will change lives.

If we start tossing punches like it’s some bar fight, what message of the Church does the present? Does this open the doors to allow them to encounter Christ? Or are they not allowed to? Just because they are gay or support homosexuality does not mean they are worse than us. Perhaps they are not even aware that it’s a sin. If this is the case, I am a far worse sinner than they are and I deserve a much worse punishment because I am aware of my sins and yet commit them full knowing it.

Since when does being Catholic give us the right to put on the “Holier Than Thou” attitude on? Would Pope Benedict approve you punching another outside of the Cathedral? Even if these protesters were to block the entrance to the Church so you cannot attend mass, what right does that give you to hit someone? This is a very juvenile and un-thought out reaction. If attending mass is your priority I am sure you can go to another Church. If a fight is what you wanted, why don’t you go to a bar. It takes 2 to fight.

If we react in a violent why what better are we than those who burnt the embassy because of some stupid Cartoons. The Holy Catholic Church is not going to change its stance on things due to a bunch of protesters in Minnesota.

[HisChild]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Feb 12 2006, 08:27 PM']LOL...  that's the funniest thing I've seen all day
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And they've got their fingers on the trigger so you KNOW they mean business!!!

<~~Sister Mary Don'tMessWithME

[HisChild]

[quote name='khouse' date='Feb 13 2006, 09:46 AM']I %100 agree.  I read a story in this book about an ex-gay giving a speach to Christian group and he was disrupted by a really loud group of lesbians that stormed the stage.  One got in his face and was yelling and he just asked "Can I give you a hug?" and she did not know how to react.  I think you can disarm situations with love much better than returning anger and violence.  If anything, thats what these protesters want, they want a reaction of anger and violence.
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That's really neat. It actually reminds me of my dad, who is a fireman. He says that fuel begets more fire. . .no fuel, no fire.