Medjugorje: Another View

[Myles Domini]

[url="http://www.icubed.com/~rpoe/medugorj.htm"]Medjugorje: Another View[/url]. I find this information disturbing, in spite of a somewhat rigorist interpretation of extra ecclesiam nulla salus if what this person is reporting is true e.g. that [i]supposedly[/i] the Medjugorje story came with the revelation that God does not want us to convert and spread the faith I cannot bring myself to believe it is genuine.

[Era Might]

I've never been drawn to Medjugorje. Not that I've really looked into it, but the whole controversy makes it phishy in my book. There are enough approved apparitions to whet my whistle.

[DemonSlayer]

I've never been sure of it, it's not like Lourdes or Fatima.

[Donna]

Hey, Myles.

I cannot remember if "Another View" is from the late Michael Davies. But either way, Medjugorje is so problematic one doesn't know where to start.

For me, the sheer number of communications sealed it (are they still on-going?)...there wouldn't be enough time in a century to examine each and every "revelation", which, at the time I looked into it, there'd been several YEARS of them on an almost-daily basis.

If nothing else, Our Lady makes great use of economy of words in her true apparitions.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

^^ what Donna said.

I went to Medjugorje for a week and I was not impressed. Sure, tons and tons of people are going to Confession... but that's only a start, and doesn't mean everything coming from Medjugorje is true. (I know I'll get beat up for my comparison... but it's like Life Teen-- sure, you get kids going to Mass (or Confession in the case of Medjugorje... but what are they gathering from it? quick conversions, spiritual "highs", and disobedience (supposedly Life Teen has "fixed" their liturgical problems... but you can't overlook the uproar from teens that bishops were "messing with their mass"-- they breed obedience to their particular program, not the Church as a whole--as the Body of Christ)... and so it's a sham.

Perhaps very well intended... but it's gone on long enough now.

(Besides... apparitions every day, same time, on the nose... I didn't know we could put our Blessed Mother on command to follow our schedules?)



One mistake on the site....
[quote]Eleven voted that there had been no apparitions ­ [i]non constat de supernaturalitate[/i][/quote]
"non constat de supernaturalitate" means that they neither affirm nor deny any supernatural character-- it's the middle ground of the 3 positions regarding apparitions.
"constat de non supernaturalitate" is the prohibition category in which the supernatural character is completely denied.

[Jaime]

The Church has not ruled on Medjugorje. By the declarations of the visionaries, we'll find out in our lifetime if its a hoax or not. (The ten secrets will be revealed in our lifetime according to them)

[Didacus]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Feb 10 2006, 06:49 AM']The Church has not ruled on Medjugorje.  By the declarations of the visionaries, we'll find out in our lifetime if its a hoax or not.  (The ten secrets will be revealed in our lifetime according to them)
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What's the difference; if we died before their revealed. we'd STILL get to know the truth!?!?!?








Back to Bob...

[Jaime]

Didace

The voice of reason

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Feb 10 2006, 07:49 AM']The Church has not ruled on Medjugorje.  By the declarations of the visionaries, we'll find out in our lifetime if its a hoax or not.  (The ten secrets will be revealed in our lifetime according to them)
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I thought we were not supposed to go there.

[Church Punk]

Just some thoughts on this matter:

I think that when looking at Medjugorje we should take into account what the Virgin said at Fatima (the most official Marian apparition of our times). The reason is that we know Mary came to Fatima, we have miracles (the miracle of the sun, healings, & JPII's brush with death), an outstanding witness (Sr. Lucy) as well as all the bishops, and Popes who have endorsed it. These all verify that Fatima was real.

On that note we have nothing of this magnitude with Medjugorje. Secondly we should look at the messages conveyed, are they still consistent with Our Lady of Fatima. Would Mary relay two different messages that seem to be counteractive against each other? At Fatima, she urged us to pray the Rosary daily, told us to wear the brown scapular as a sign of our faith, she gave us new devotions, First Saturday, new prayers (the Fatima prayer and others). She also called for the consecration of Russia to Her Immaculate Heart.

Why wouldn’t she re-iterate these devotions? The consecration still has not taken place. Why wouldn’t she remind us about that instead?

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[Donna]

Jamie, that is not true. The former Bishop of Mostar (??? forgive me, it's been a long time) ruled that the apparitions were not supernatural and I'm quite sure the current (as of a few years ago) bishop concurred.

[thessalonian]

I have to say something about medjugorie. It was said that there are no miracles from medjugoie. I am drawing a blank on his name right now but I saw a video on this priest a few weeks ago. The man was a drug infested maggot. Lying stealing pleasure seeking. A real joy to be around. He showed a picture of himself before his conversion. Totally zoned out look. He stayed with his mother for a few days. She had become Catholic after basically living a life with no religion. He saw a bookshelf and decided to see what kind of a cult she had joined. He pickup up a book on Mejugorie. The man was instantly converted and became a very faith filled and inspired Catholic priest. I have seen many other hearts changed through going to medjugorie. With regard to apparitions I am not a Mary chaser. I have an ear to them but don't live and breath on every word. They are of benefit for our faith as long as they are not our faith. Whatever Medjugorie is, it has changed the lives of many people I've known and so I do believe that God has been working through it. It is not unusual for local bishops to not be supportive of apparitions so if someone in the Church says that it is false and demonic I will stay away. But if the Church has not stated that it is harmful to the faith I simply keep an open mind. I tend to believe Medjugorie. If it turns out to be false though it will not bother my faith. I know that God has worked through the faith of the people who go there. That the Mass is celebrated constantly in packed Churches and that regardless that alone gives us something to be appreciative of with regard to these alleged apparitions.

Blessings

[alicemary]

I have been told by several priests and nuns that the sightings at Mediugorje are not valid church approved apparitions and not to fall prey to their devotions. It is similiar to those people up in Bayside NY which are also not church approved

[thessalonian]

[quote name='alicemary' date='Feb 10 2006, 10:14 AM']I have been told by several priests and nuns that the sightings at Mediugorje are not valid church approved apparitions and not to fall prey to their devotions. It is similiar to those people up in Bayside NY which are also not church approved
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Apparitions are NEVER approved by the Church until they are done so that areguement is invalid. Even Fatima and Lourdes were not approved until after the visionaries had died. Bayside is different in that the Church has in fact stated that those ones are highly questionable and should be avoided. The woman that claims them is not of good character and was in to the occult at one time. The messages are quite negative and some have been against the Church. I don't know that to the be case with Medjugorie, nor do I know of anyone in the church telling us not to go to Medjugorie. There are a great many masses said their and rosaries. Medjugorie is nothing like bayside. You don't have to pay attention to it if you don't want to but don't say false and bogus things about it. Know what you are talking about in making such claims.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Donna' date='Feb 10 2006, 10:53 AM']Jamie, that is not true. The former Bishop of Mostar (??? forgive me, it's been a long time)  ruled that the apparitions were not supernatural and I'm quite sure the current (as of a few years ago) bishop concurred.
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Yes its true that Bishop Ratko does not believe that the apparitions are happening. However, it's not under his jurisdiction to rule on the matter. It is up to the commission of bishops not any one individual bishop. And as I've said and Thess backs up, the Church has not ruled on Medjugorje.