Luthien Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 09:58 AM']haha... nah he should! maybe he'd give up the cigarette habit for pipe smokin so he can have 2 more years of life than a non-smoker [right][snapback]878714[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 u dont want him to live 2 years longer than the average non-smoker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 (edited) [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Feb 7 2006, 09:29 AM']To claim that smoking a pipe is healthy, however.... [right][snapback]878692[/snapback][/right] [/quote] To draw a conclusion from a simple corrolation would be faulty in logic. One can use a corrolation in order to investigate further in a specific direction, but not to obtain a firm conclusion. A corrolation is indicative of a relation, but does not define the relation. For instance, a cause that makes people live 2 years more AND causes them to smoke the pipe will show as a corrolation between pipe-smoking an dliving longer however, it is clear from the relation between these three that to start smoking the pipe will not make you live longer. Which is what you where indicating in the first place if I am not mistaken. Edited February 7, 2006 by Didacus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I see smoking as dangerous becuase it is done excessively. If someone would smoke only a single cigarette per week, he would have no health effect. It is smoking too much, like half a pack a day, that poses a health hazard. I would not know for sure, but I bet that if anoyone smokes two or three cigs per day, they barely see any ill effects if at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 and of course cigs are generally harder to control your portions of because they're so much more rapidly addicting, which is why I think pipe smoking is really the way to go. plus the inhaling factor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 First, as a few people pointed out, the problem is not lung cander, but mouth cancer. Second, if you want to relieve stress, there are better ways. Find a sport or some other physical activity, like working out or riding the bike instead of taking the cage somewhere (this has the added effect of conserving oil). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Didacus' date='Feb 7 2006, 12:07 PM']To draw a conclusion from a simple corrolation would be faulty in logic. One can use a corrolation in order to investigate further in a specific direction, but not to obtain a firm conclusion. [/quote] Exactly. Except you give a little info to some numbnetherregions & they start claiming junk like: [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 12:00 PM']u dont want him to live 2 years longer than the average non-smoker? [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Feb 7 2006, 10:39 AM']Exactly. Except you give a little info to some numbnetherregions & they start claiming junk like: [right][snapback]878732[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I googled numbnetherregions and didn't get anything. Care to explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Feb 7 2006, 12:39 PM']Exactly. Except you give a little info to some numbnetherregions & they start claiming junk like: [right][snapback]878732[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 I was just playin... gosh i thought Cow of Shame was the big joker around here... he doesn't seem to get it when other people have a bit of fun. you can see throughout the thread what I've actually been claiming. i said over and over that yes, this doesn't necessarily correlate, the only thing it proves is that moderate pipe smoking does not pose a mortal hazard to your health. you could also pick out a few comments like that that were said in jest. the trick is telling the difference. it's not that hard... anyway, riding a bike a smoking a pipe are two very different things... it's completely absurd to say "don't smoke a pipe, ride a bike"... that's like sayin "don't take an advil for that headache, put ice on your head" sure, "other activities" "reduce stress", but the positive psychological effects of pipe smoking shouldn't be ignored because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 10:53 AM']but the positive psychological effects of pipe smoking shouldn't be ignored because of it. [right][snapback]878747[/snapback][/right] [/quote] A lot of young guys think that getting a lot of women in the sack is good for them psychologically, too. Good psychological effects are not always the overriding concern and need to be balanced out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:02 PM']A lot of young guys think that getting a lot of women in the sack is good for them psychologically, too. Good psychological effects are not always the overriding concern and need to be balanced out. [right][snapback]878768[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Man, and all these years I've thought I was contributing to better mental health ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 but the thing is-- it isn't psychologically healthy for them. frequent releases of oxytocin in the brain for different partners wears down their ability to have long lasting and deep relationships... so that's a moot example i'm not saying people think it's psychologically good for them, I'm saying it is. if you've ever sat and smoked a pipe contemplating life, or smoked a pipe with friends, you know what I mean here. it really is good for you, whether or not you have any extra-ordinary stress in your life... it is a very therepeutic thing for anyone who is merely living an average human life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 11:06 AM'] if you've ever sat and smoked a pipe contemplating life, or smoked a pipe with friends, you know what I mean here. it really is good for you, whether or not you have any extra-ordinary stress in your life... it is a very therepeutic thing for anyone who is merely living an average human life. [right][snapback]878775[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, that function is better served by hitting the weights at the gym.... How much ya bench, Al? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 again, apples and oranges dude. apples and oranges. sure they both satisfy your appetite, but there's nothing wrong with doing just one or just the other or both or neither... i'm more of a runner than a weight lifter. last time I got on one of those dreadful treadmills (I hate runnin on them cause you're conscious at every minute of your speed and distance, whereas runnin out in the open you're free from that) I ran a mile in 6:10... not too great but that's cause I'm out of shape due to not running since cross country fall 2004 of course all this has nothing to do with the subject of pipe smoking. i never said it was the only way or the best way, but I would say it's the more contemplative and intellectual way to relax for an evening than weight lifting... though I still don't understand why we are comparing the two things... [b]ne quid nimis[/b] and that includes worrying about heath and body building-- NOTHING to excess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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