Era Might Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Rick777' date='Feb 7 2006, 02:48 AM']Maybe I'll take up pipe smoking, it sounds real cool. If its so healthy no one will care that I'm under 18 right? [right][snapback]878452[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Definitely not. You might even get an appearance on "Extreme Makeover: Lung Edition"... [img]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson26a.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 haha... o boy if you're serious I can see that phatmass day-time version will absolutely CRUCIFY ME over this one I have no problem with anyone taking up pipe smoking so long as they practice temperence, moderation, and right reason. but for minors I'm gonna take the official stance that you shouldn't do it without talking to your parents first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 lol. Don't worry. I won't be starting that habit for some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:51 AM']Definitely not. You might even get an appearance on "Extreme Makeover: Lung Edition"... [img]http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/drobson26a.jpg[/img] [right][snapback]878454[/snapback][/right] [/quote] somebody hasn't been listening to the discussion on the distinction between smart pipe-smoking read the articals on the first post and stop being so much like hitler! (lol, just kiddin there, I think it's absolutely hilarious that that one artical picks Hitler as the example of anti-smoking activists though ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 6 2006, 11:52 PM']haha... o boy if you're serious I can see that phatmass day-time version will absolutely CRUCIFY ME over this one I have no problem with anyone taking up pipe smoking so long as they practice temperence, moderation, and right reason. but for minors I'm gonna take the official stance that you shouldn't do it without talking to your parents first. [right][snapback]878457[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I wonder what the MOMS would think?lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 oh gosh... i better make myself scarce on PM tomarrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 i posted this in the music thread as part of my revenge against photosynthesis for hijacking my pipe thread with music... so i'll just post it here too: my thoughts on the root causes, culture, and symbolism of tobacco smoking It truly is amazing when you discover the greatness outside of the anti-smoking propaganda. People who are taught to dislike smoking really don't know much about why people smoke in the first place, other than "peer pressure"... but of course that explanation can't hold... take it down an Aristotelian path of reason and you gotta come to the "un-peer pressured peer pressurer"... why did he take up tobacco smoking? cool.gif and that's where you discover the real beauty and symbolism of the whole thing I think when it comes down to it, some Native American way back when had to come up with the bright idea of burning this tobacco leaf and letting the fumes pass through his body. There was no peer pressure for this guy, he's the first guy to come up with the idea. Why did he do it? Likely saw a religious symbolism in smoke rising to heaven, then as he was burning one particular leaf he discovered the soothing nature of the aroma of the tobacco leaf. He did it because he was enamoured with the idea, with the symbols and with the effects. So too when you reach the European meeting of Native Americans... why did they adopt this habit from the Native Americans? okay, so now you could just say "peer pressure"... but to the Europeans Native Americans were not their peers, they were barbarians and savages! The European settlers more likely noticed the symbolism of the smoke passing through the body and rising to heaven and its calming effect on their soul... they noticed the loosening of the tongue to great intellectual conversation; they adopted the pipe and held it up as a symbol of the highest intellectual classes because they recognized the symbolism. no public school health class talking about why people smoke will take that direction. it's all peer pressure and evil tobacco companies, which okay those are various material causes, but what is the formal cause? there is a great symbolism attached to smoking in our culture that is very much ignored by the current medical rage against smoking. what is the symbolism? in my estimation it is the spiritual symbolism of smoke passing through your body and rising to heaven, the emotional symbolism of the calming of nerves, the intellectual symbolism of the stimulation of great thoughts and conversations as you sit and pass the time with this symbol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think it's okay for a pipe smoker to have an occasional smoke, but usually he will just get addicted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarf Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I've had more women approach me in public (in a positive manner) for smoking a pipe than for all other reasons combined. The odd thing is that pipe smoking is very harsh on the mouth but attracts lots of compliments, whereas smoking cigars is usually more pleasurable but acquires nothing but ire. Then again, certain cigars are far worse on the mouth than any pipe tobacco--Montecristos and Cubans for instance tend to give me leucoplasts within a matter of minutes. When I lived in France I asked a guy in a Parisian Tabac what tobacco he recommended for me, and he gave me this stuff called Amsterdamer. I bought it sufficiently of the reason that I loved the packaging (which I scanned and made into my avatar). It smelled and tasted absolutely awful, but it was so uniquely awful that you had to love it in some way. For better or worse, I've never seen it for sale in the US. Why does the Coeternalist smoke the hookah? Because it's the most complicated and drawn-out way to blow hot air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 haha did you check out that firstthings artical, snarf? it's a really interesting analysis of the different types of tobacco smoking you'd probably like [url="http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9704/foley.html"]http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9704/foley.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think you have changed my mind about pipe smoking.....I will take it up next year. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarf Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I don't think anyone should take something up just because of its image. I started the pipe for practical reasons: it's far more economical than cigarettes, it tastes better, and it gives me a social mechanism to counter my extreme introversion. If you don't need these, then not smoking at all is the best way to go. I would love to own a $400 estate pipe, but that would contradict myself. Plus, they're not exactly convenient to tote around. As for smoking the hookah, it's the most effecient way to get the effects of nicotene without costing too much. After I smoke it, I'm more motivated to do my homework or engage in discussion. Plus, it's intrinsically social--many people can toke off it at once. Relating to the article, I think it's not just condescending but over-simplistic to relate chew to simpletons. I think more than anything else it represents errantry--the classical image of the cowboy comes to mind, and their acumen shouldn't be called into question. I wouldn't deny that chew is most related to low-income brackets and thus limited education, but these people are no less capable of pensivity. The only time I've ever chewed was about two weeks ago, see no reason to do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Nope, Aloysius got me hooked. I'm gonna start when I turn 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snarf Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 As for the idea that pipe smoking ADDS to your longevity, I'm willing to bet its just a quirk of demographics. People who smoke the pipe are, as has been stated, more likely to indulge in odyssey of the mind and so are statistically more prone to be concerned about other aspects of healthy living. To Catholics, I would strongly recommend giving up all forms of tobacco for Lent, as to curb any possibility of long-term addiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 I take exception to the idea that you should only start smoking something "for practical reasons"... since the majority of your practical reasons were merely 'it's better than cigarrettes', and one of them is for social problems... well I don't think one must have social problems that need to be fixed to find that pipe smoking adds something good to their social life, and completely ignoring the symbol as a reason to smoke completely ruins the whole experience I've ever had with smoking-- like JS Bach "Sit and pass the time away... I smoke my Pipe and worship God" I find the time I spend smoking a pipe a very contemplative time, the symbolism there, the pseudo-liturgical action pipe smoking takes on, I don't see why that shouldn't be a factor in deciding whether to smoke a pipe and yeah, it's possible that it's a demographic glitch, but as was offered as an explanation by the study itself it is also possible that such a healthy avenue to relieve stress may lower mortality rates. either explanation is as good as the other one given what studies have been done... the only thing this study conclusively shows is that smoking pipes is not an extreme health hazard that greatly affects your mortality rate. I don't really know many chewers so I couldn't tell you I guess, but from people I've had experience with (everwhere from cigarettes to cigars to pipes to marijuana) these generalizations basically hold the line very accurately... I can't really pick out any major exceptions to the rule. that's the part of the artical I most liked, the little aside about chew I didn't pay much attention to anyway oh, and I second the Lent suggestion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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