Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 hehe I know, it's cool. you can't know how elated I am to have this concrete evidence now against the people who looked down upon me for resurecting this venerable Catholic pipe smoking tradition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:09 AM']if the symbolism was more profound, then why wouldn't we all be smoking pipes at Mass? [right][snapback]878400[/snapback][/right] [/quote] because there you're doing it in a physical building of a Church, you're incencing the Temple of the Blessed Sacrament but the layman does not live his life in a Church... but He does have a certain temple that he takes with him everywhere he goes-- the Temple of the Holy Spirit I'm not sayin it's necessarily better or more profound, I just think it compliments the layman's mode of life very very nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Rick777' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:13 AM']I'd rather die two years earlier if I smoked, that way I wouldn't have to suffer from lung cancer so long. And that hole in my throat would probably bug me to........... [right][snapback]878407[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it's pretty clear from the study that reasonable pipe smokers are not dying left and right from lung cancer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 02:12 AM']because there you're doing it in a physical building of a Church, you're incencing the Temple of the Blessed Sacrament but the layman does not live his life in a Church... but He does have a certain temple that he takes with him everywhere he goes-- the Temple of the Holy Spirit I'm not sayin it's necessarily better or more profound, I just think it compliments the layman's mode of life very very nicely. [right][snapback]878405[/snapback][/right] [/quote] but it's not appropriate for everyone. It's certainly not very ladylike. all laypeople live in their bodies, the temple of the Holy Spirit. But we laypeople also live in our homes, which should be a domestic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 I know it isn't for everybody, like singing eh? singing's got some great symbolism, but it isn't for everyone! haha anyway a week ago I would have been very hardlined agreeing with you that it isn't ladylike, but now I'm startin to see how claypipes are different and there are claypipes specifically designed for women. I think there is a ladylike way to smoke a lady's clay pipe anyway, I'm not sayin all laypeople must smoke pipes. just like incence in a church, it's an optional little thing... rich in symbolism in our culture but the symbolism can be accomplished in other ways. side note, the native americans when they converted would often be smoking during mass.. not sure whether the Church really approved of it but it happened, and seeing as the Native American culture had a very religious connotation to their smoking, even moreso probably than our European adoption of it took on, it was a good example of inculturation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 When was this study conducted again? The 60's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 the late 60's, early 70's... well after the Surgeon General's research was conducted (1964) that confirmed what everyone basically already knew or suspected, cigarrette smoking is dangerous for your health... Anyway, I've noticed I've never seen a Surgeon General's Warning on a bag of my pipe tobacco Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I should look into that................................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 If you'll look at this artical: [url="http://www.meerschaumstore.com/health.htm"]http://www.meerschaumstore.com/health.htm[/url] you'll find a study was done in 1979 concluded that pipe smokers who smoked four or fewer bowls of tobacco per day (that's way more than I do, I don't even average once a day most of the time) had a lower mortality rate than non-smokers in 1982 the surgeon general compiled a bunch of sweeping generalized reports about anyone who smoked pipe tobacco and found them 2-4.3 more likely to have lung cancer... but they didn't look at how often people were pipe smoking and whether they were inhaling. the 1979 study accurately shows that smoking a pipe reasonably is actually not a hazard and can actually reduce stress to the point of prolonging life. the smoker of a pipe can more easily keep himself in control and practice temperence than a cigarrette smoker, so there really is very little danger in taking up moderate pipe smoking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Feb 7 2006, 02:23 AM']I know it isn't for everybody, like singing eh? singing's got some great symbolism, but it isn't for everyone! haha anyway a week ago I would have been very hardlined agreeing with you that it isn't ladylike, but now I'm startin to see how claypipes are different and there are claypipes specifically designed for women. I think there is a ladylike way to smoke a lady's clay pipe anyway, I'm not sayin all laypeople must smoke pipes. just like incence in a church, it's an optional little thing... rich in symbolism in our culture but the symbolism can be accomplished in other ways. side note, the native americans when they converted would often be smoking during mass.. not sure whether the Church really approved of it but it happened, and seeing as the Native American culture had a very religious connotation to their smoking, even moreso probably than our European adoption of it took on, it was a good example of inculturation. [right][snapback]878427[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it would be funny if Catholics started smoking the hooka.... they did that a lot where I went to college. but singing is for everyone do you think clay pipes are superior to other pipes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 I think a female-designed clay pipe is probably the only pipe smoking I would picture a dignified lady participating in but as to whether clay pipes are better... I donno, after tryin this clay pipe I just got I am amazed by the difference. maybe it's just cause I haven't cleaned out my other pipe thouroughly in a while, but the clay pipe smoking seemed to have a whole other charecter... like the regular pipe would be smoked in the presence of common men, and a clay pipe would be reserved for something more refined but I don't really know much, just tryin to come up with a nice view of the differences between the types of pipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Era Might Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 [img]http://www.massmoments.org/mo_home/04_28_05.jpg[/img] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:38 AM']it would be funny if Catholics started smoking the hooka.... they did that a lot where I went to college. but singing is for everyone do you think clay pipes are superior to other pipes? [right][snapback]878444[/snapback][/right] [/quote] my friend who I shared my first pipe smoke with was tellin me about that, from what he says it's just a really refined and sweet form of tobacco? it's interesting, I don't know if I'm ready to try that just yet, I'm still overwhelmed by this immense world of pipes I have discovered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted February 7, 2006 Author Share Posted February 7, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 7 2006, 01:43 AM'][img]http://www.massmoments.org/mo_home/04_28_05.jpg[/img] [right][snapback]878446[/snapback][/right] [/quote] A guy like that (or Art Rooney in my avatar for that matter)smokin a cigar makes perfect sense according to that first things artical... it's amazing how accurate that artical is in describing who smokes what and why, since it's such a visceral choice no one even really thinks about why they're using one form of tobacco over another [url="http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9704/foley.html"]http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9704/foley.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Maybe I'll take up pipe smoking, it sounds real cool. If its so healthy no one will care that I'm under 18 right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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