Resurrexi Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [/quote]A unborn Child that is aborted or that is stillborn goes to heaven no doubt! They are innocent only having origal sin, God, being a just and wise and mercyful God is not going to send these children to hell or "Limbo".[/quote] My kind sir, There IS NO BAPTISM OF DESIRE IN AN ABORTION! The mom probably dosent care about the salvation of her infant's soul if the is aborting the infant! you sir, are falling into heresy by believing that. [quote]QUOTE(StThomasMore @ Feb 4 2006, 12:19 AM)(it is a mortal sin to prospone baptism more that a month) Anyone have a link to back this up? [/quote] Sir, I do not have a link to back this up, I got it from an examination of concience and from the Baltimore Catechism: [quote]Catholic parents who put off for a long time, or entirely neglect, the Baptism of their children, commit a mortal sin. [/quote] The Church Fathers thought more than a month was to long of a time to put off such a necessary Sacrament. Edited February 4, 2006 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 3 2006, 11:54 PM']I would LOVE for you to post it! [right][snapback]875299[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote]Webmaster, I was just curious why your site has that Communion under both Species is Protestant and should be shunned, while Trent says, " Wherefore, holy Mother Church, knowing this her authority in the administration of the sacraments, although the use of both species has,--from the beginning of the Christian religion, not been unfrequent, yet, in progress of time, that custom having been already very widely changed,--she, induced by weighty and just reasons,- has approved of this custom of communicating under one species, and decreed that it was to be held as a law; which it is not lawful to reprobate, or to change at plea sure, without the authority of the Church itself. " Anyways, thanks for helping me with this, Zachary[/quote] [quote]Dear Sir, Thank you for your e-mail and inquiry. This issue cannot really be answered by simply saying that Communion under both kinds is "Protestant", since in the Eastern Rites, Communion has always been distributed in this fashion, albeit, via the method of intincture. However, in the Roman Rite this has not been the case, and Communion under both kinds was stopped in order to curb abuses (and even the danger of sacrilege), as well as theological errors (such as promoted by the heretic, John Hus). To understand this issue further, I suggest that you purchase and read Michael Davies excellent and thorough work, Communion Under Both Kinds: An Ecumenical Surrender available at: [url="http://www.neumannpress.com/comunbotkin1.html"]http://www.neumannpress.com/comunbotkin1.html[/url]. I hope that this assists you sufficiently and God bless. In Christo et Maria, Louis J. Tofari General Secretary & Webmaster[/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote]Now reconcile that with the CCC and the current pope. Here is a hint: if it does exist. [/quote] You think I care what the Pope says if it is not infallable or darn close to infallable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:19 AM'](it is a mortal sin to prospone baptism more that a month) [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:52 AM'] Anyone have a link to back this up? [right][snapback]875294[/snapback][/right] [/quote][/quote] Seriously.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote]QUOTEWebmaster, I was just curious why your site has that Communion under both Species is Protestant and should be shunned, while Trent says, " Wherefore, holy Mother Church, knowing this her authority in the administration of the sacraments, although the use of both species has,--from the beginning of the Christian religion, not been unfrequent, yet, in progress of time, that custom having been already very widely changed,--she, induced by weighty and just reasons,- has approved of this custom of communicating under one species, and decreed that it was to be held as a law; which it is not lawful to reprobate, or to change at plea sure, without the authority of the Church itself. " Anyways, thanks for helping me with this, Zachary QUOTEDear Sir, Thank you for your e-mail and inquiry. This issue cannot really be answered by simply saying that Communion under both kinds is "Protestant", since in the Eastern Rites, Communion has always been distributed in this fashion, albeit, via the method of intincture. However, in the Roman Rite this has not been the case, and Communion under both kinds was stopped in order to curb abuses (and even the danger of sacrilege), as well as theological errors (such as promoted by the heretic, John Hus). To understand this issue further, I suggest that you purchase and read Michael Davies excellent and thorough work, Communion Under Both Kinds: An Ecumenical Surrender available at: [url="http://www.neumannpress.com/comunbotkin1.html"]http://www.neumannpress.com/comunbotkin1.html[/url]. I hope that this assists you sufficiently and God bless. In Christo et Maria, Louis J. Tofari General Secretary & Webmaster[/quote] I think Mr. Tofari gave an excellent reply which gave a large amount of valuable information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 3 2006, 11:06 PM']You think I care what the Pope says if it is not infallable or darn close to infallable? [right][snapback]875309[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well you still have the CCC to wrestle with for one, and yes you should care as he is the head of the magesterium. Infallible or not, we are to take his views under consideration and treat them with the respect they deserve. He is the servus servorum Dei after all. Also, it appears to make a difference as to when a person was a pope that you will give one credit. If a pope was an ECF and supports your cause you play it. If it is a contemporary pope that speaks against your cause, you will have none of it. I could say the same thing you said regarding this pope about the Fathers you quote (or actually do not quote because you have yet to give substantial evidence other than "they say so",) but I wont because I respect them for what they contributed to the Church and will weight their input in Tradition accordingly. Edited February 4, 2006 by Paphnutius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [quote]QUOTE(StThomasMore @ Feb 4 2006, 12:19 AM)(it is a mortal sin to prospone baptism more that a month) QUOTE(Cow of Shame @ Feb 4 2006, 12:52 AM) Anyone have a link to back this up? Seriously....[/quote] Sir, Look in the third-to-last post I just posted. Edited February 4, 2006 by StThomasMore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:10 AM']I think Mr. Tofari gave an excellent reply which gave a large amount of valuable information. [right][snapback]875312[/snapback][/right] [/quote] about what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 (edited) [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 3 2006, 11:12 PM']Sir, Look in the third-to-last post I just posted. [right][snapback]875314[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Please give the post number. Are you talking about #35? If so I asked you to reconcile that with the CCC which is an authoritative document as Fedei Depositum said. edit: my apologies. I thought that was directed to me. Edited February 4, 2006 by Paphnutius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:06 AM']You think I care what the Pope says if it is not infallable or darn close to infallable? [right][snapback]875309[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, you do owe a religious submission of mind and will to what the Holy Father says when it is obvious he is speaking as Pope on the matters of faith and morals. That's actually one of the easiest things to get out of Vatican II and before. I think that there is a canon before that condemns this...probably in Vatican I. [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:10 AM']I think Mr. Tofari gave an excellent reply which gave a large amount of valuable information. [right][snapback]875312[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I actually think that he denied what's on the SSPX's own website to be accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KnightofChrist Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 3 2006, 11:06 PM']You think I care what the Pope says if it is not infallable or darn close to infallable? [right][snapback]875309[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You should since to the best of my knowledge no Pope has infallable taught that Limbo exist, and you have falled to find any infallable teaching by a Pope that says Limbo exist. Yeah you should maybe care a wee bit, since the Pope is Pope because the Holy Spirit wanted the Pope to be Pope, but thats just me, thats how I roll... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Resurrexi Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote]Also, it appears to make a difference as to when a person was a pope that you will give one credit. If a pope was an ECF and supports your cause you play it.[/quote] I'm sorry, what is an ECF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote]This issue cannot really be answered by simply saying that Communion under both kinds is "Protestant", since in the Eastern Rites, Communion has always been distributed in this fashion, albeit, via the method of intincture.[/quote] [quote]but some are Protestant: * a table, * common-place utensils, * communion under both kinds and in the hand, etc. [/quote] The third is what I asked about. He said it's not Protestant. Actually, the "common-place utensils" used to say spoons I think, which is what the Eastern Catholics use. A table is not allowed for Mass, or it shouldn't be. An altar is not a table and it's unfair to say that the Novus Ordo's altar should be equated with a table because some people with faulty theology say so. Anyways, this is my small rebuttle of some of their tract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missionseeker Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 4 2006, 12:06 AM']You think I care what the Pope says if it is not infallable or darn close to infallable? [right][snapback]875309[/snapback][/right] [/quote] If that's the case why are you so adamant about Limbo? This is not a defined dogma nor is it anywhere near infallible [quote]God's powers are such that He can overcome the issue of Original Sin as He chooses, according to special circumstances."[/quote] [quote]Pope Benedict had already expressed his doubts about limbo when, as Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, he was head of the Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the Church's doctrinal watchdog. In an interview in 1984, he said: "Limbo has never been a defined truth of faith. Personally, speaking as a theologian and not as head of the Congregation, I would drop something that has always been only a theological hypothesis." [/quote] Pope John Paul II [quote]The Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God. In fact the great mercy of God, who wants all men to be saved, and the tenderness of Jesus towards children allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who die without baptism." [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted February 4, 2006 Share Posted February 4, 2006 [quote name='StThomasMore' date='Feb 3 2006, 11:17 PM']I'm sorry, what is an ECF? [right][snapback]875319[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Early Church Father. Sorry for using an acronym. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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