Catholics Vs. Other Religions

[M.SIGGA]

The Body of Christ is a family and all Christians are brothers and sisters whether they be Protestant, Orthodox, or Catholic. Just because some are rebellious and have separated themselves from the rest of the family doesn't mean God will discontinue caring for them and hearing their prayers- and earthly father wouldn't even do that. If miracles are peformed - meaning prayers are answered - for Protestants and Orthodox Christians, it is not meant to draw them away from comming home, but to draw them into knowing the Truth. When an earthly father aids a wayward son, it's done to set them on the right path so they might find their way back home. Free will determines how those Christians will respond to God's calling. Try to see the bigger picture.

[cmotherofpirl]

God calls each one of us by name each and every single day from conception to death.

[cmotherofpirl]

It could have been angelic, which agian would be preternatural not supernatural. We all have angels looking after us after all. But miraculous is a word we through around entirely to much, there are very few truely miraculous events.  I Have seen miraculous healing a baby who went from  going to the ICU to being sent home in less time than it took to ready a room, that  seemed miraculous but really doesn't  qualify as there was no violation of the laws of nature, only a bending of them, a preternatural event but not a supernatural one. He said Miracle, There have been no confirmed miracles outside of the Catholic Church in the last 2000 years. That means any seemingly miraculous event other than those could be a fake, or natural or demonicly performed. There is no way to know without Church investigation.

Please show documentation that no miracle has occurred outside the church in 2000 years.

[DesiringMore]

Webster's Dictionary

miracle ['mırəkəl]

noun

1 an event that is contrary to the established laws of nature and attributed to a supernatural cause

2 any amazing or wonderful event

3 a person or thing that is a marvellous example of something

example: the bridge was a miracle of engineering

WordNet Dictionary

[n] a marvellous event manifesting a supernatural act of God

[n] any amazing or wonderful occurrence

If we look at the words the New Testament uses for miracles we see the following:

(1) It is an act of a supernatural being. The word dunamis has the idea of a supernatural power. It speaks primarily of the agent of the act. That power may be delegated to a human agent. The question is where did Jesus’ power to do the miracle come from. There are two options - either from God or from Satan. Obviously, Jesus’ power came from God. Some suggest that Satan only imitates miracles. I think Satan can perform miracles. He does not have divine power, but he does have supernatural power. So the idea from the word dunamis is that there is supernatural power involved.

(2) Another word - terasa - speaks of the effect. A miracle is an unusual event. Terasa speaks of the wonderment of the event – as in signs and wonders. As a matter of fact, terasa is always used with semeion.

(3) The Greek word semeion means sign. A miracle is a significant event. It has purpose. Matthew, Mark and Luke uses the first two more. John uses the word semion, because he is focused on the purpose of Jesus in performing the miracles.

(4) Therefore, in our search for a definition, if we combine the ideas of these words used in the New Testament, we might come up with the following definition:

Definition: A miracle is an unusual and significant event (terasa) which requires the working of a supernatural agent (dunamis) and is performed for the purpose of authenticating the message or the messenger (semeion).

I don’t want to imply that God can’t do a miracle without a miracle worker or that He can only do miracles when He needs to authenticate His message. But, examination of Old Testament and New Testament miracles shows that when a human is the agent performing a miracle, the purpose is authentication of the person and his message. For example: Moses, Elijah, Jesus, Apostles… That is the norm. It is a little oxymoronic to use the words norm and miracles in the same sentence, but I think it is important to establish what the norm is if possible because of what various people teach concerning miracles......

IF YOU WOULD LIKE THE REST OF THIS WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING, BUT TOO LONG...GO TO http://www.bible.org/docs/nt/topics/miracles/mircl-01.htm

Where in the Catholic teaching does it say that only Catholics can experience such things as MIRACLES? if there is, i would really like to know so that i can research it more!!! if not, then i want to know why you would be so bold as to state that...Nothing personal to any of you that have posted, i just would like you to elaborate because i desire to find the TRUTH....and i need foundation on beliefs in order to find that truth....

[lilac_angel]

i don't believe in eucharistic miracles.

Why?

[lilac_angel]

I'd be careful about accusing demons of performing "miracles". Unless you choose your words carefully, it may make you look crazy. I mean, do demons really have the ability to do anything that would put God in a positive light, i.e. a "miraculous healing"?

From St. Thomas Acquinas' Summa Theologica:

"I answer that, As is clear from what has been said above, if we take a miracle in the strict sense, the demons cannot work miracles, nor can any creature, but God alone: since in the strict sense a miracle is something done outside the order of the entire created nature, under which order every power of a creature is contained. But sometimes miracle may be taken in a wide sense, for whatever exceeds the human power and experience. And thus demons can work miracles, that is, things which rouse man's astonishment, by reason of their being beyond his power and outside his sphere of knowledge. For even a man by doing what is beyond the power and knowledge of another, leads him to marvel at what he has done, so that in a way he seems to that man to have worked a miracle.

It is to be noted, however, that although these works of demons which appear marvelous to us are not real miracles, they are sometimes nevertheless something real. Thus the magicians of Pharaoh by the demons' power produced real serpents and frogs. And "when fire came down from heaven and at one blow consumed Job's servants and sheep; when the storm struck down his house and with it his children--these were the work of Satan, not phantoms"; as Augustine says (De Civ. Dei xx, 19).

http://www.newadvent.org/summa/111404.htm

[lilac_angel]

One more thing:

As Augustine says (QQ. 83, qu. 79): "When magicians do what holy men do, they do it for a different end and by a different right. The former do it for their own glory; the latter, for the glory of God: the former, by certain private compacts; the latter by the evident assistance and command of God, to Whom every creature is subject."

[Don John of Austria]

once agian foiled buy the curse of work my post is gone I'll have to respond later in full but in brief.

Cmom-- the Burden of proof is always with those who claim a miracle show me documentation of a miracle outside the catholic Church in the last two thousandd years. Please refrain forom useing heretical documents.

Now the Orthodox are in a nebulus state of communion so they might actually have miracles, but protestants, who hate Christ Bride, and hate his mother, they have no communion miracles do not occur among them.

Remember Angelic intervention is not miraculous it is only Preternatural not Supernatural so an angelic act is mearly amazing not a miracle.

[cmotherofpirl]

once agian foiled buy the curse of work my post is gone I'll have to respond later in full  but in brief.

Cmom-- the Burden of proof is always with those who claim a miracle show me documentation of a miracle outside the catholic Church in the  last two thousandd years. Please refrain forom useing heretical documents.

Now the Orthodox are in a nebulus state of communion so they might actually have miracles, but protestants, who hate Christ Bride, and hate  his mother, they have no communion miracles do not occur among them.

Remember Angelic intervention is not miraculous it is only Preternatural not Supernatural so an angelic act is mearly amazing not a miracle.

Nope.

You have made an unsubstantiated statement.

You're the one one who said it hasn't happened.

Prove it.

[hyperdulia again]

The reason Incorruptibles only exist within the Church because of the Eucharist.

That is why no other church has them.  Thier faith enabled God to grant them this priviledge to glorify him.

To say you belive in incoruptables and not in the Holy miracle in the Eucharist is a contradicting statement. You cant have one without the other, without Christ in the Eucharist we are lost. We can't get to God on our own, Jesus is the way the truth and the life. Remember when Jesus went to his home town in the gospel the people had no faith, and he was distressed. No miracles were performed there.

I think you misunderstood me. i believe in transubstantiation or the Real Presence of Our Lord in the Blessed Sacrament, there would no poinnt in being Catholic if one didn't believe in the Eucharist, i just reject Eucharist miracles...things like lanciano...i think they're contrary and even harmful to the faith.

[lilac_angel]

They're approved by the Vatican and they help my faith and the faith of many. How do you see them as harmful or contrary to the faith? God gives us miracles to bolster our faith, whether it be through incorrupt bodies or Eucharistic miracles... just as He bolstered the faith of a doubting monk in the 8th century at Lanciano (and the rest of the parish).

[hyperdulia again]

we're not biting into jesus's thigh when we recieve him in the eucharist, we're recieving his body, blood, soul, and divinity...

also these things are never so much "approved" as they are not disapproved.

[lilac_angel]

My book on Eucharistic miracles has "nihil obstat" and "imprimatur" on them, which basically says that it has Church approval.

Imprimatur is Latin for "let it be printed." When a Roman Catholic bishop grants his imprimatur to a printed work, he assures the reader that nothing therein is contrary to Catholic faith or morals. This imprimatur is not given lightly; only after a thorough review process.

Nihil obstat is the phrase used by the official censor of the Roman Catholic Church to say that a publication has been examined and contains nothing offensive to the Church.

The way I see it, the Miracle of Lanciano is simply a visual representation of Jesus' Body and Blood that become truly Present... for the "doubting Thomases" out there that don't believe in the Real Presence, it makes them think twice. It can strengthen people's faith, like the incorruptibles do.

Edited December 15, 2003 by lilac_angel

[hyperdulia again]

i'm not going to argue with you about this miracle you are free to believe in it and i am free not to..

nihil obistats and imprimaturs do not equal ecclesial approval of a text however.

[lilac_angel]

i'm not going to argue with you about this miracle you are free to believe in it and i am free not to..

That's true; I didn't really want to argue. I was just curious as to why you're opposed to it if it brings people closer to the Church.

If the Church ever removes its imprimaturs and stuff, I'll start to doubt. But until then, I'll just trust that they didn't fabricate everything and place it in a sacred monstrance.