Global Warming is a hoax.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='ironmonk' post='870478' date='Jan 30 2006, 11:43 PM']There is no such thing as "global warming" in the sense that it will send us into an ice age or just keep getting hotter.

Why do I say this? Because when we look back in history we see that the earth's temperature cycles vary from 100 to 250 years. Much longer than any of us will live. The earth cools and warms in cycles. We are living in a warming phase and it will start to cool back down within the next ten years, possibly five years.

The world is so many millions of years old, one volcano puts out more pollutants than we do in 10,000 years... more CFC's and more "green house gases" than we could ever do. 30 volcanoes erupt every year. So, for humans to do as much "damage" as one year of "damage" that volcanoes do it will take us 300,000 years... Now, what we do is a drop in the bucket when looking at the big picture.

What happens in our atmosphere to the bad gases? When the sun's UV rays hit oxygen they create ozone which is a bond between 3 oxygen atoms. Ozone is highly reactive and seeks out various gases, reacts with them, and turns them into somthing harmless - it's also a great way to kill germs. That is why if you put a UV light near the litter box it will help destroy foul odors. It is also why many safety glasses cabinets in chemistry classes have uv lights in them.

It's all a cycle.

Just look at the temperatures throughout history... grab a farmers almanac.

The media are a bunch of chicken littles and are very selective in what they show you. The "Sky is falling" gets more ratings than "We have nothing to worry about.".

As Public Enemy said "Don't believe the hype".

God Bless,
ironmonk
[url="http://www.CatholicSwag.com"]http://www.CatholicSwag.com[/url] <- Media zombie free[/quote]

Global Warming as in what the media, unholywood, and fear mongers would have you believe is a hoax.... as I have been saying ever since they've been crying it. Global Warming and Global Cooling is nothing more than a natural cycle. We cannot affect it like the anti-establishment close minded people try to make you believe.

Sun's Output...
[url="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html"]http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sun_output_030320.html[/url]

View Earth, Sun and aurora in real-time...
[url="http://www.space.com/spacewatch/cams.html"]http://www.space.com/spacewatch/cams.html[/url]

Solar variation...
[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_variation[/url]

Solar Output...
[url="http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/space/solterr/output.html"]http://vathena.arc.nasa.gov/curric/space/solterr/output.html[/url]

Solar Max is Over, Future Getting Brighter...
[url="http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/sun_weather_010828-1.html"]http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/sola...r_010828-1.html[/url]

The Great Global Warming Swindle...
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU[/url]

Gorey Truths...
[url="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFiZDAyMWFhMGIxNTgwNGIyMjVkZjQ4OGFiZjFlNjc="]http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YmFiZ...jQ4OGFiZjFlNjc=[/url]

There IS a problem with global warming... it stopped in 1998...
[url="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml"]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jh...4/09/do0907.xml[/url]

On Global Warming: Follow the Money Indeed!...
[url="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251458,00.html"]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251458,00.html[/url]

Amazing Mars picture show planet's 'dramatic climate changes'...
[url="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=410901&in_page_id=1770"]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770[/url]

Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says...
[url="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070228-mars-warming.html"]http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...rs-warming.html[/url]

Two New Books Confirm Global Warming is Natural; Not Caused By Human Activity...
[url="http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2007/310107Warming.htm"]http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/janua...0107Warming.htm[/url]


God Bless,
ironmonk

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Winchester' post='880143' date='Feb 8 2006, 12:41 PM']The causes of global warming are not proven. It's a theory. We are supposedly coming out of an ice age still (theory)

However, considering we are stewards of this planet, it would behoove us to pursue alternative fuels, which would likely benefit not only our environment, but the political climate, as well. Certainly we can all agree that polution, whether it is causing warming on a global scale or not, is undesirable.[/quote]

I need to address something here. It seems everyone is against the whole "Global warming issue" insofar as it is believed to not be occurring by our rape of nature and continuous pollution. I'm sorry but with all things aside, slashing rain-forest for growing cows and pouring toxins into the air, creating so much garbage does not sound healthy to me. Do we really want to live that way? We should actually be stewards of this planet and use "cleaner" energy for transportation, etc and forget about the whole money deal. Just need to know (this prolly was adressed 4 pages ago... but whatever) what is causing the polar caps to melt away? Why is Greenland disappearing? There is indeed a trend of warming and cooling throughout history (as per the patterns and CO[sub]2[/sub] levels found in the glacier ices). I don't want to get a big angry response for bringing "The Inconvenient Truth" into the picture here, but I just saw it today and as a CANADIAN CATHOLIC (who can watch this objectively without being pulled into potential political issues and with the good intention of our home in mind) there were many figures that pointed to global warming. It is an alarming fact, though I'm still trying to piece some stuff together. Instead of saying "oh burning fossil fuels isn't causing depletion, so lets keep it up", why not say "how can we move to something that doesn't smell bad and cause haze over the cities in excruciatingly hot summers"?
My Canadian $0.02.

God Bless

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1230198' date='Apr 4 2007, 09:19 PM']I need to address something here. It seems everyone is against the whole "Global warming issue" insofar as it is believed to not be occurring by our rape of nature and continuous pollution. I'm sorry but with all things aside, slashing rain-forest for growing cows and pouring toxins into the air, creating so much garbage does not sound healthy to me. Do we really want to live that way? We should actually be stewards of this planet and use "cleaner" energy for transportation, etc and forget about the whole money deal. Just need to know (this prolly was adressed 4 pages ago... but whatever) what is causing the polar caps to melt away? Why is Greenland disappearing? There is indeed a trend of warming and cooling throughout history (as per the patterns and CO[sub]2[/sub] levels found in the glacier ices). I don't want to get a big angry response for bringing "The Inconvenient Truth" into the picture here, but I just saw it today and as a CANADIAN CATHOLIC (who can watch this objectively without being pulled into potential political issues and with the good intention of our home in mind) there were many figures that pointed to global warming. It is an alarming fact, though I'm still trying to piece some stuff together. Instead of saying "oh burning fossil fuels isn't causing depletion, so lets keep it up", why not say "how can we move to something that doesn't smell bad and cause haze over the cities in excruciatingly hot summers"?
My Canadian $0.02.

God Bless[/quote]I suggest you get a US penny so the Canadian 2 cents is worth something. LOL

But seriously, one of the major flaws in the whole global warming fear is the CO2 measurement. The science behind measureing CO2 accurately via the ice samples is marginal at best, and some claim very flawed scientific thinking. Some problems are 1-Ability for ice to capture atmosphere in a regular manner because weather type greatly affects it.
2- Ability for ice to maintain a steady level of CO2 given time and pressure. Unfortunately, unproven scientific theory is accepted as gospel.

[jeffpugh]

[quote name='Anomaly' post='1230237' date='Apr 4 2007, 09:52 PM']I suggest you get a US penny so the Canadian 2 cents is worth something. LOL

But seriously, one of the major flaws in the whole global warming fear is the CO2 measurement. The science behind measureing CO2 accurately via the ice samples is marginal at best, and some claim very flawed scientific thinking. Some problems are 1-Ability for ice to capture atmosphere in a regular manner because weather type greatly affects it.
2- Ability for ice to maintain a steady level of CO2 given time and pressure. Unfortunately, unproven scientific theory is accepted as gospel.[/quote]

Hmm... I'll have some American money when I go to NYC later this month... wait! There are a couple of american pennies lying around here! Dang... that means I have to take your politicians seriously

[hoosieranna]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1230241' date='Apr 4 2007, 08:05 PM']Dang... that means I have to take your politicians seriously [/quote]

Why? Very few of us do.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1230198' date='Apr 4 2007, 09:19 PM']I need to address something here. It seems everyone is against the whole "Global warming issue" insofar as it is believed to not be occurring by our rape of nature and continuous pollution. I'm sorry but with all things aside, slashing rain-forest for growing cows and pouring toxins into the air, creating so much garbage does not sound healthy to me. Do we really want to live that way? We should actually be stewards of this planet and use "cleaner" energy for transportation, etc and forget about the whole money deal. Just need to know (this prolly was adressed 4 pages ago... but whatever) what is causing the polar caps to melt away? Why is Greenland disappearing? There is indeed a trend of warming and cooling throughout history (as per the patterns and CO[sub]2[/sub] levels found in the glacier ices). I don't want to get a big angry response for bringing "The Inconvenient Truth" into the picture here, but I just saw it today and as a CANADIAN CATHOLIC (who can watch this objectively without being pulled into potential political issues and with the good intention of our home in mind) there were many figures that pointed to global warming. It is an alarming fact, though I'm still trying to piece some stuff together. Instead of saying "oh burning fossil fuels isn't causing depletion, so lets keep it up", why not say "how can we move to something that doesn't smell bad and cause haze over the cities in excruciatingly hot summers"?
My Canadian $0.02.

God Bless[/quote]


I think we should develop cheaper and cleaner fuels... although there are more fossil fuels than we can imagine - oceans of oil, mountains of coal - they are still limited.

What we are producing is not changing the weather.

The weather has been changing on a regular basis just as it is for all of written history... and before.

Temp throughout the world fluctuates.

One volcano releases more than we can do at present output than we can do in over a thousand years.

30 volcanoes erupt each year.

We are not destroying the planet. There are some areas which need some serious cleaning up... but the planet is large and is not as fragile as Chicken Little wants you to believe.

Gore is a liar.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[jeffpugh]

Interesting... Why does Chicken Little say world temp as at an all time high? Meh... we may never know. I hate to see the destruction of our world. Thank the LORD we have heaven to look forward too! The secular culture is grasping at straws now.

[jeffpugh]

Might I add, a lot of my friends and peers are following Gore's lies. I don't know what to say to them... the volcano thing is interesting... but that's all I got.

[hoosieranna]

One of the other grad students is doing her thesis on changes in climate on a local scale due to volcanic eruptions. The ash sometimes forces a cooling, by blocking sunlight. It doesn't work like that in tropical areas, though. The air is denser and warmer, keeping ash and debris nearer to the ground and adding to air pollution. The last eruption that had a noticeable effect on the global climate was Pinatubo in the Phillipines, sometime in the early nineties. The date is the only thing I'm not totally sure about.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Sacred Music Man' post='1230418' date='Apr 4 2007, 11:43 PM']Interesting... Why does Chicken Little say world temp as at an all time high? Meh... we may never know. I hate to see the destruction of our world. Thank the LORD we have heaven to look forward too! The secular culture is grasping at straws now.[/quote]


The scientific study of weather has only been for around a hundred years. It's been this hot before, and hotter. When it's hotter here, it's cooler on the other side of the world. Ice is melting in the North, but in the South ice is growing.

The destruction of the world will not happen until the Second Coming - then there will be a new Heaven and Earth. We are to have faith in God... not ourselves.

God Bless,
ironmonk

[jeffpugh]

Okay Ironmonk. I'll take your word for it. I always look to the LORD about the whole last day thing too! Don't you think the beginning of the end would end in greed though? That is, our exploitation of the world?

[Lena]

Just adding some thought....I do think how we treat the world that was created for us is important, and that includes striving for a cleaner environment. I think we [i]should[/i] worry about this kind of blase attitude many people seem to take concerning their world. Resources aren't finite. I hate to see the destruction of our natural environment, and knowing I'm breathing in toxins and air pollutants. I realize this doesn't exactly answer the question of "global warming" but these are just my thoughts. If anything, at least the media attention surrounding the issue of global warming makes us more aware of how we treat the world we live in.

[Didacus]

There is a basis of truth in global warming, however the media and the 'powers-that-be', like many other things, are blowing it out of proportion in order to preserve power.


Canada, unfortunately, is an excellent example. Since a year ago (about), global warming is the #1 issue in Canadien politics. Never mind our soldiers dying in Afghanistan, global warming, a global situation that can be soundly argued will be BENEFICIAL for Canada, is our number one concern by far.

The issue of global warming has offset other issues to the point that several common and educated Canadiens do not even know we still have soldiers fighting overseas (and no, that is not a joke, nor an exageration). Can anyone else see how fear-mongering and milking the global warming sacred-cow can be beneficial to politicians and the media?


Yes there is a basis of truth, and yes, we are harmful to the environment in many ways. But global warming is not even a 'top-ten' concern as far as even the environment is concerned. Energy consumption, energy supply are top on the list - look and read up on the term 'emergy' when you get the chance.

[dairygirl4u2c]

i for one err on the side that global warming is a joke. but anyone who's intellectually honest would admit that we cannot know how much global warming is going to hurt us. the earth temperatures do go in cycles and we are at the top of one of them. every hundred thousand years. but, there is hard proof that we are warming because of our pollution. the question is how much. i'm not sure of that volcano thing, if it's true that seems pretty reliable againt warming. i heard that was a rumor though one time and would need to see proof. here's a pretty decent site about saying it's real, but hte very data they use shows it's possibly phony.

[url="http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/26/20495/240"]http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2006/10/26/20495/240[/url]
[url="http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics"]http://gristmill.grist.org/skeptics[/url]

[Maria]

I found these articles interesting. They explain the views of scientists who, for various reasons. aren't buying into the global warming story.
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=22003a0d-37cc-4399-8bcc-39cd20bed2f6&k=0"]Statistics needed[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=1d78fc67-3784-4542-a07c-e7eeec46d1fc&k=0"]Warming is real - and has benefits[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=ae9b984d-4a1c-45c0-af24-031a1380121a&k=0"]The hurricane expert who stood up to UN junk science[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=b228f4b0-a869-4f85-ba08-902b95c45dcf&k=0"]Polar scientists on thin ice[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=63ab844f-8c55-4059-9ad8-89de085af353&k=0"]The original denier: into the cold[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=fee9a01f-3627-4b01-9222-bf60aa332f1f&k=0"]The sun moves climate change[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=17fad0e2-6f6b-41f3-bdd8-8e9eeb015777&k=0"]Will the sun cool us?[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=9bc9a7c6-2729-4d07-9629-807f1dee479f&k=0"]The limits of predictability[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=edae9952-3c3e-47ba-913f-7359a5c7f723&k=0"]Look to Mars for the truth on global warming[/url]
[url="http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/story.html?id=069cb5b2-7d81-4a8e-825d-56e0f112aeb5&k=0"]Limited role for CO2[/url]

Edited April 6, 2007 by Maria