Ora et Labora Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 I have heard the Jews are becoming less Religious nowadays...is that true? That would be a real pity. Their not Catholic...but, I was always interested in their religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 [quote name='Ora et Labora' date='Jan 29 2006, 05:02 PM']I have heard the Jews are becoming less Religious nowadays...is that true? [right][snapback]869571[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, this is true. Most Jews in Israel are secular (non-religious) Jews. The actual proportion is hard to determine. I've heard they're 60%-90% atheist. After reading this topic I started doing some research on the Talmud. It's very interesting, and there is a long history of various popes condemning it. I didn't find a reliable translation; my research was interrupted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 If the Popes condemn it. Well so do i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 [quote name='philothea' date='Jan 29 2006, 06:49 PM']Yes, this is true. Most Jews in Israel are secular (non-religious) Jews. The actual proportion is hard to determine. I've heard they're 60%-90% atheist. After reading this topic I started doing some research on the Talmud. It's very interesting, and there is a long history of various popes condemning it. I didn't find a reliable translation; my research was interrupted. [right][snapback]869603[/snapback][/right] [/quote] could you (if possible) elaborate on what these Pope's said? sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 30, 2006 Author Share Posted January 30, 2006 i do not know how accurate this site is since it is protestant. But i found it linked on a Catholic site. [url="http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmudx.htm#Talmud%20Unmasked"]http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/talmudx.h...lmud%20Unmasked[/url] on that site is a book written in 1892 by a Catholic Priest. It has an Imparatur as well. [quote]Rev. I. B. Pranaitis Roman Catholic Priest; Master of Theology and Professor of the Hebrew Language at the Imperial Ecclesiastical Academy of the Roman Catholic Church in Old St. Petersburg. St. Petersburg Printing office of the Imperial Academy of Sciences 1892 IMPRIMATUR St. Petersburg, KOZLOWSKY Archbishop Metropolitan of Moghileff[/quote] It is from Christus Rex et Redemptor Mundi which Catholic Culture gave a fidelity because of its anti-semetism. so i don't know if it is is reliable. [url="http://www.christusrex.org/www1/icons/index.html"]http://www.christusrex.org/www1/icons/index.html[/url] sam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted January 30, 2006 Share Posted January 30, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 29 2006, 06:25 PM']could you (if possible) elaborate on what these Pope's said? [right][snapback]869619[/snapback][/right] [/quote] When I get more information, I will post it. I read about various papal bulls issued in the middle ages, where the Talmud was banned, and copies were collected and burned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 [quote name='philothea' date='Jan 29 2006, 07:16 PM'][quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 29 2006, 06:25 PM'] could you (if possible) elaborate on what these Pope's said? [right][snapback]869619[/snapback][/right] [/quote] When I get more information, I will post it. I read about various papal bulls issued in the middle ages, where the Talmud was banned, and copies were collected and burned. [right][snapback]869657[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Dang... the Talmud is 30 volumes! There isn't a free, complete English translation available. [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talmud#External_attacks_on_the_Talmud"]Here is a summary[/url] of the dispute between the Church and the Talmud. Kind of sketchy. It's Wikipedia, so it's probably not the most scholarly discussion around, but it'll give you an idea. The only English translation I could find is [url="http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/talmud.htm"]here[/url], and it's only ten volumes, but I don't think it's following any particular agenda. I haven't looked at a whole lot. It's really... dense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krostandt Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Also remember, before we go around tossing quotes from the Talmud, that a Jew is recommended to have advice from a Rabbai (much like Christians with Scripture and Patristic teachings) as someone untrained can easily fall into false teaching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 My Jesus is a God of His Promises. The Jewish people are still God's people. They need the fulfillment of truth contained in the revelation of the Son and in the Catholic Church, but they are still God's people. And if the first covenant is revoked why on earth should I trust the second? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The Talmud is NO LONGER the primary authority in Orthodox Judaism. The Shulchan Aruch (which for some has been superseded by the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch and other texts) is primary and definitive commentary on Rabbinic Tradition to most Orthodox Jews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The first covenant was not revoked, it was fulfilled. The New Covenant IS God's covenant with humanity, there is no old covenant in force because the New Covenant replaced it. It fulfills all that God promised to the Jewish people; they rejected the completion of their covenant and still try to follow it as it was prior to its being completed. The promises God made to His people are fulfilled, God held up His end of the bargain, gave them a New Israel (the Church) with dominion over the whole world. That the promises He made to His people are now extended equally to all people does not take away from this, God never said "I'll do these things and only let you share in them" He just said "I'll do these things", and He did. The Jewish religion left the covenant when God fulfilled it. The Jewish people are still the "chosen people" and have a great place available for them in the Catholic Church as such. They're not better or worse than the gentiles, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 [quote name='Aloysius' post='1404868' date='Oct 18 2007, 02:09 PM'][b] That the promises He made to His people are [size=7]not [/size]extended equally to all people does not take away from this[/b], God never said "I'll do these things and only let you share in them" He just said "I'll do these things", and He did.[/quote] The rest of this post I agree with. You do not mean this sentence, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 what are you talking about? that's a w, not a t. lol, it's nice to be able to edit without it saying so. definitely a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 *wipes brow* I was afraid you'd have to stop being my Beloved Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 [quote name='hyperdulia again' post='1404838' date='Oct 18 2007, 01:19 PM']The Talmud is NO LONGER the primary authority in Orthodox Judaism. The Shulchan Aruch (which for some has been superseded by the Kitzur Shulchan Aruch and other texts) is primary and definitive commentary on Rabbinic Tradition to most Orthodox Jews.[/quote] There is an irony to this insofar as the Shulchan is a commentary on the Talmud...but it has nonetheless displaced it (in much the same way that Torah was displaced by the Talmud itself). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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