Lookee Here...

[M.SIGGA]

It's neat to try and turn a dirty word around, but we are called Papists and Romanists because they think we worship a man and not Christ. I don't want to be associated with any title imposed by the Church of England or Separtists or Puritans. We are Church of Jesus Christ where all people can find comfort, salvation, and rest - and nothing less.

[vianney]

Ok first off You guys are cluess. Of course an ex catholic is going to be talkign smack about the church otherwise he wouldnt of left. I could get some ex protest ants to talk about how how horrible your churches are and how stupid the doctrines are and how great the ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH is and would it be valid. NO

second off i find it ironic how everyone here claims that the catechism teaches catholics to never question there faith and just follow rome like blind sheep when you guys arent letting honest dialouge and defeding of truths go on here. I want to say that all of you are mis informed. I myself am a SEMINRIAN and I can tell you that just because you are a seminarian doesnt mean you know jack squat about the faith. There are many guys here who are not informed, for that matter there are preists who are mis informed.

You say we are blind sheep yet you wont let us on here to defend what our faith actually teaches

If you want the truth get it from catholics themselves not some bitter protest ants who have nothing but lies and misconceptions to talk about because they left the church due to there lifestyle which they woudlnt confrom out of pride and stubborness.

Pax et salve

This is what I posted on the forum lets see what they say...

[cmotherofpirl]

Gee for a minute I thought you were addressing us...

[vianney]

ha ha sorry i guess i should of said somethign before that huh? oh well :stupid:

[Lil Red]

Gee for a minute I thought you were addressing us...

umm yeah, what she said. I was reading it and I was like, "Sheesh, vianney, a little harsh on us, aren't ya?" Then I read your last line.

This is what I posted on the forum lets see what they say...

phew. don't scare me like that! ;)

[dUSt]

For those of you who are members of that board. Invite them over here to dialogue. Seriously.

When they get here, be kind, patient and understanding, no matter what types of things they say. If we impress them with our charity, they will no doubt see where the Holy Spirit resides.

God bless.

[cmotherofpirl]

For those of you who are members of that board. Invite them over here to dialogue. Seriously.

When they get here, be kind, patient and understanding, no matter what types of things they say. If we impress them with our charity, they will no doubt see where the Holy Spirit resides.

God bless.

yeah I guess it has been a bit boring aroound here...

[Kilroy the Ninja]

yay! It'll mean more stuff for me to moderate in my little corner of Phatmass...

Just kidding......

mostly

[phatcatholic]

i posted there and invited them here. hopefully, some will join. we'll see.......

[foundsheep]

ha ha sorry i guess i should of said somethign before that huh? oh well  :stupid:

i WAS LIKE BOWING MY HEAD LIKE HEY MY NAME has sheep on it :sadder:

LOL :rolling:

[Peppermint Patty]

Hi all. I am from christianity.com. Unfortunately, I came over here more out of curiosity than anything else, not really for debate. But I didn't know if there was another forum I could post in. So I don't know if I'll be of any entertainment for you all! I am not a Catholic, but I am a saved Christian. God is my Father, Christ is my Savior, and the Holy Spirit lives within me. I don't agree with a lot of what you guys believe, but I think here is the main problem: you don't believe that we can be saved without the Catholic church and a lot of evangelicals don't believe you can be saved while remaining in the Catholic church. I don't believe that, I believe the only requirement is that one has accepted Christ as their Savior. Although I don't believe salvation is through works, I do believe that anyone who is saved will produce good works in their life.

I doubt you all will get earthless, or Bruce, or Tony to visit over here for debate, where they will be outnumbered. I used to like them, but I now realize they are on a righteous agenda to prove themselves right above anyone else. They are not working through the Holy Spirit, which is obvious by the way they respond not only in the Catholic thread, but also other threads. I don't suggest you all go over there, you'll just be ripped apart, and the moderators will applaud when you are.

Anyway, with that said, I guess I can ask this question of you guys. Do you believe I can not be saved unless I go through Catechism classes and become a member of the Catholic church?

[frozencell]

It's funny how Protestants try to make it look persecution look so innocent.

Now on the thread it has been updated to say that no avatars should promote Catholicism or be anti-Catholic, but at the same time they have to following rules:

2. Do not promote Catholic doctrines that are against christianity.com's Statement of Faith, the Ten Commandments and/or the Nicene Creed.

3. No name calling of any doctrines [Catholic, Protestant or any other] - let's stay civil and discuss in a way that edifies rather than puts down.

4. Do not quote other books (this includes the Catholic Bible), misrepresenting them as Holy Scriptures.

5. No praying to Mary and/or other saints or telling others to do so.

Regarding #5-- Like they can tell me who and who not to pray to....sounds like ancient Biblical times of Christian persecution to me....anyone else agree?

But anyhow, the reason for the post...I was reading through their Statement of Faith and, while almost all of it was Biblically sound, I was disturbed in finding the following:

We do not deny God’s ability to guide men by His Spirit, through prayer and meditation, through other individuals, and through circumstances. However, we believe that there is no extra-Biblical revelation that we know to be inerrant, whether other texts or individuals claiming divine inspiration. We believe that any person claiming to have direct, authoritative, inerrant revelation from God other than the Bible is a false teacher.

Even most of this sounds good to me. But I would like to highlight the last sentence. If this is truly what the makers and moderators of Christianity.com believe (even though I know it's an underhanded attempt to take a stab at the Catholic church...) I would like to know how they plan on explaining a lot of the Bible (i.e. Daniel's explanation of the king's dreams, Joseph's explanation of the king's dream, the ENTIRE book of Revelation....just to name a few...) since all of these are direct and inerrant revalations from God Himself. According to them a lot of the most important men, and in some cases disciples of Christ, in the Bible are nothing but self-ordained false prophets that deserve nothing better than the flames of hell.

Who's with me?

:angry:

[Lil Red]

Hi all.  I am from christianity.com.  Unfortunately, I came over here more out of curiosity than anything else, not really for debate.  But I didn't know if there was another forum I could post in.  So I don't know if I'll be of any entertainment for you all!    I am not a Catholic, but I am a saved Christian.  God is my Father, Christ is my Savior, and the Holy Spirit lives within me.  I don't agree with a lot of what you guys believe, but I think here is the main problem: you don't believe that we can be saved without the Catholic church and a lot of evangelicals don't believe you can be saved while remaining in the Catholic church.  I don't believe that, I believe the only requirement is that one has accepted Christ as their Savior.  Although I don't believe salvation is through works, I do believe that anyone who is saved will produce good works in their life.

I doubt you all will get earthless, or Bruce, or Tony to visit over here for debate, where they will be outnumbered.  I used to like them, but I now realize they are on a righteous agenda to prove themselves right above anyone else.  They are not working through the Holy Spirit, which is obvious by the way they respond not only in the Catholic thread, but also other threads.  I don't suggest you all go over there, you'll just be ripped apart, and the moderators will applaud when you are.

Anyway, with that said, I guess I can ask this question of you guys.  Do you believe I can not be saved unless I go through Catechism classes and become a member of the Catholic church?

welcome Peppermint Patty! If you'd like you can check in under Open Mic. There's a Check In thread there.

I would like to say welcome to you! If you don't want to debate, that's cool. We've got other stuff going on than that (the Under 20 lounge, Hip Hop lounge, Open Mic, Q & A about Catholicism, Prayer Room, The Word). Anyway, I for one hope you will stay and dialogue with us.

I would like to commend you when you say that you realize there are people on that board who have an agenda to prove themselves right about anyone else. Most people wouldn't take a stand like that and I commend you for it.

We are all called to love one another, and to act charitably to one another in our walk with God.

God bless!

[frozencell]

Peppermint Patty...

I recognized you from the other forum and I would like to take some time to thank you for reaching out to somewhere where, as you say, "you are outnumbered". The intention is not to get you alone and beat you with a Cathicism or anything, no one here wants to do that. I would also like to say that I appreciate your comments on salvation and having the integrity to say that some Protestants are not living Christ for the sake of being correct no matter what. I am sure there are some Catholics who are the same way because, hey, everyone is human and flawed. I can't speak for the entire Catholic church or anything because I, myself, am recently affiliated with the Catholic church as a former lifelong Protestant. I personally don't believe that a certain affiliation can get you into heaven unless that affiliation is with God Above. Yes, I am a Catholic, I know God is my Saviour and the only way to heaven. Funny enough, these two things don't clash because the Catholic church teaches that the only way to heaven is through Christ unlike some popular misconception (I have been guilty of this misconceptions in the past too) such as worshipping Mary as a god and other things.

If you have any other questions I am sure that all here would be glad to clarify anything that you are wondering about. Thank you again for your openness and willingness to learn before making judgements.

[cmotherofpirl]

Hi all.  I am from christianity.com.  Unfortunately, I came over here more out of curiosity than anything else, not really for debate.  But I didn't know if there was another forum I could post in.  So I don't know if I'll be of any entertainment for you all!    I am not a Catholic, but I am a saved Christian.  God is my Father, Christ is my Savior, and the Holy Spirit lives within me.  I don't agree with a lot of what you guys believe, but I think here is the main problem: you don't believe that we can be saved without the Catholic church and a lot of evangelicals don't believe you can be saved while remaining in the Catholic church.  I don't believe that, I believe the only requirement is that one has accepted Christ as their Savior.  Although I don't believe salvation is through works, I do believe that anyone who is saved will produce good works in their life.

I doubt you all will get earthless, or Bruce, or Tony to visit over here for debate, where they will be outnumbered.  I used to like them, but I now realize they are on a righteous agenda to prove themselves right above anyone else.  They are not working through the Holy Spirit, which is obvious by the way they respond not only in the Catholic thread, but also other threads.  I don't suggest you all go over there, you'll just be ripped apart, and the moderators will applaud when you are.

Anyway, with that said, I guess I can ask this question of you guys.  Do you believe I can not be saved unless I go through Catechism classes and become a member of the Catholic church?

Welcome to phatmass.

Catholics don't consider themselves"saved" like protestants do. Baptism justifies us and gives us entrance into the kingdom. We are saved at death if we are in a state of grace. WE don't consider salvation certain before then, because humans have an inclination to sin, and sin can keep you out of heaven.

Catholics don't believe in salvation thru works, however we believe if you have faiths then you will be doing works. James says faith without works is dead , and we believe that.

We believe that people are saved thru Jesus Christ who is found sacramentally in the Catholic Church. All people baptised are linked together in his kingdom. To be saved you must somehow be linked to Jesus Christ in His Church.