rkwright Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Whats the deal with these guys? What do they teach or believe that makes them so dangerous to the Church? Can you still be excommunicated for joining them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rick777 Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Freemasonry explicitly and openly states that it is not a religion, nor a substitute for religion. There is no separate "Masonic god", and there is no separate proper name for a deity in any branch of Freemasonry[4]. Freemasonry accepts members from almost any monotheistic religion - as well as, for example, Buddhists and Hindus. In the irregular Continental European tradition, since the early 19th century, a very broad interpretation has been given to a (non-dogmatic) Supreme Being - usually allowing Deism and naturalistic views in the tradition of Spinoza and Goethe (himself a Freemason), or views of The Ultimate or Cosmic Oneness, along with Western atheistic idealism and agnosticism. This leads some anti-Masonic pundits to suggest that even regular Freemasonry will, in practice, accept certain kinds of atheists - willing to adopt quasi-spiritual language. However, in some jurisdictions (mostly English-speaking), Freemasonry is actually less tolerant of naturalism than it was in the 18th century, and specific religious requirements with more theistic and orthodox overtones have been added since the early 19th century (mostly in North America), including belief in the immortality of the soul. The Freemasonry that predominates in Scandinavia, known as the Swedish Rite, accepts only Christians. -Wikipedia Yes, you can still be excommunicated for joining them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 yea I read that bit on Wiki also... so whats the deal with them? If they really don't push anything and almost seem more like a fraternity than a religion, why the excommunication? Or is there more to the story? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Domini Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 To all freemasons: ANATHEMA Gnostic, relativist, enemies of the Church, engineers of anti-Christian politics, despoilers of the legacy of the templars a thousand times anathema! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 HELLO the free masons control the world, they are a branch of the illuminati Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myles Domini Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 [quote name='PadreSantiago' date='Jan 21 2006, 11:35 PM']HELLO the free masons control the world, they are a branch of the illuminati [right][snapback]862897[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Thank Heavens they're not such a force. Nonetheless, their poison allowed evil to flourish in 18th century Europe and henceforth. Their insidious and subtle trechery is not to my liking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Here's a tiny list of some free masons you might of heard of: Buchanan, James - President of the U.S. Ford, Gerald R. - President of the U.S. Ford, Henry - Pioneer Automobile Manufacturer Franklin, Benjamin - 1 of 13 Masonic signers of Constitution of the U.S. Gable, Clark - Actor Garfield, James A. - President of the U.S. Gatling, Richard J. - Built the "Gatling Gun" George VI - King of England during W.W. II Glenn, John H. - First American to orbit the earth in a space craft Harding, Warren G. - President of the U.S. Houdini, Harry - Magician Houston, Sam - 2nd & 4th President of the Republic of Texas Hoover, J. Edgar - Director of FBI Hope, Bob - Comedian Jackson, Andrew - President of the U.S. Jackson, Reverend Jesse - Minister MacArthur, General Douglas - Commander of Armed Forces in Philippines McKinley, William - President of the U.S. Monroe, James - President of the U.S. Mozart, Wolfgang Amadeus - Composer Roosevelt, Franklin D. - President of the U.S. Roosevelt, Theodore - President of the U.S. Swift, Jonathan - Wrote Gulliver's Travels Taft, William Howard - President of the U.S. Truman, Harry S. - President of the U.S. Washington, Booker T - Educator and author Washington, George - President of US, 1st Thurman, Strom )- US Senator and Board member of Bob Jones University Helms, Jesse - US Senator Dole, Robert- US Senator and '96 candidate for President. Kemp, Jack- Running mate to Dole in the 1996 Presidential campaign. Reagan, Ronald - Taken in during Presidency of the US Bush, George - US President, world oil baron, and Ambassador to the UN ------------------------------------------------------ that sure is a lot of american presidents! I didn't even include the 100s of senators and supreme court justice's because there are just too many to list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PadreSantiago Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 oh yeah Voltaire was a free mason as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morostheos Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Here's a really good link about freemasons: [url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/freemasonfaq.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 They do quite a bit of good charity work for children's hospitals. To broadly paint them as being evil is inaccurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lounge Daddy Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 22 2006, 12:31 AM']They do quite a bit of good charity work for children's hospitals. To broadly paint them as being evil is inaccurate [right][snapback]863076[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Communists and Satanists can do charity work, too - it doesn't prove any one "not evil" ... it does make them deceptive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicflower Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Just as a side note to the list of freemasons, Bob Hope was not a free mason when he died. He left and entered the Catholic Church near the end of his life. There is a Capel built by him and his wife in the National Cathedral of the Shrine of the Immaculate Conception (Out Lady of Hope, right before you enter the Confession Chapel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akalyte Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 John Kerry was in the same "skull and cross bones" masonic fraternal club in college as George bush, the only difference is George bush was" reborn". I dont think he's part of that anymore.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Jan 22 2006, 01:23 AM']Communists and Satanists can do charity work, too - it doesn't prove any one "not evil" ... it does make them deceptive [right][snapback]863131[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Just because you disagree with someone's beliefs doesn't automatically prove they're evil, either. Simply belonging to the freemasons does not make one evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akalyte Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 evil enough to grant automatic exxcomunication.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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