Jaime Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 (edited) From the Boston Globe here is the rest of the [url="http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/01/04/bush_could_bypass_new_torture_ban/?page=2"]article[/url] [quote]Bush could bypass new torture ban Waiver right is reserved By Charlie Savage, Globe Staff | January 4, 2006 WASHINGTON -- When President Bush last week signed the bill outlawing the torture of detainees, he quietly reserved the right to bypass the law under his powers as commander in chief. [b]After approving the bill last Friday, Bush issued a ''signing statement" -- an official document in which a president lays out his interpretation of a new law -- declaring that he will view the interrogation limits in the context of his broader powers to protect national security. This means Bush believes he can waive the restrictions, the White House and legal specialists said. ''The executive branch shall construe [the law] in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President . . . as Commander in Chief," Bush wrote, adding that this approach ''will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President . . . of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks." Some legal specialists said yesterday that the president's signing statement, which was posted on the White House website but had gone unnoticed over the New Year's weekend, raises serious questions about whether he intends to follow the law.[/b][/quote] Edited January 16, 2006 by jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 16, 2006 Share Posted January 16, 2006 Typical Republican ... say one thing and mean another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 16, 2006 Author Share Posted January 16, 2006 First he threatens to veto a ban on torture. Then when congress prevented him from being able to, he REWRITES THE LAW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 We need to pray for honest politicians in all parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Do you get your Catholic news from the Boston Globe as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 I find it interesting that Bush fans are being so quiet on this particular thread. And as quiet as this story has been, it certainly puts to rest the myth of the "liberal media" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 No one wants to rise to Bush's defense? figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akalyte Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jan 16 2006, 07:55 PM']No one wants to rise to Bush's defense? figures [right][snapback]858255[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yeah, wait and see what he does first before you judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 I've seen what he did There was a bill calling for an all out ban on torture. And with his signing statement, he nullified it. I'm judging that as completely immoral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote]The executive branch shall construe Title X in Division A of the Act, relating to detainees, in a manner consistent with the constitutional authority of the President to supervise the unitary executive branch and as Commander in Chief and consistent with the constitutional limitations on the judicial power, which will assist in achieving the shared objective of the Congress and the President, evidenced in Title X, of protecting the American people from further terrorist attacks.[/quote] This is what he added to the Torture ban. This states that the President can circumvent the ban in cases of terrorism. Congress passed this bill so overwhelmingly, Bush couldn't veto it. So he did this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 It makes me wonder what he knows that makes him think that torture just might occasionally be a good idea.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 16 2006, 10:13 PM']It makes me wonder what he knows that makes him think that torture just might occasionally be a good idea.... [right][snapback]858350[/snapback][/right] [/quote] How about what he doesn't know? He doesn't know that the president cannot arbitrarily redefine laws to suit his needs. He doesn't know that there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that states torture doesn't work He doesn't know that torture is immoral in all cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cow of Shame Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Well, he's either hopped up on a power trip or honestly believes that torture is sometimes justified....that's all. I didn't make any mention whether I think what he did was right or wrong, or whether I ever think that torture is justified in any instance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blovedwolfofgod Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 any treaty that is signed with a reservation pretty much means that reservation applies to all because of reciprocity. most countries are reciprocal. thats why we do nothing about genocide, because reagen signed the treaty and his reservation clause implied that it only applied to us when we wanted it to. if the reservation implies that we can waive anything, everyone can waive it too and nothing can happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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