Didacus Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 OK, I'll bite. what is democrate for life? What is a democrate anyhow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [url="http://www.democratsforlife.org/"]Democrats for Life[/url] It's a national organization for pro-life members of the Democratic party. Another good group is [url="http://www.feministsforlife.org/"]Feminists for Life[/url]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Thanks for linking that Sojourner! I haven't spoken much about them lately. Not since PedroX had my back about them anyway. I miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 I see.. And what is the main difference between a republican and a democrate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Oh dear. There are many differences, and depending on who you ask, either repub or dem, you are going to get a different answer. Suffice it to say, they are the two major parties in American politics, with Dem's leaning liberal (economically and socially - although not all are are as liberal with the social as demonstrated by dems for life) and Repubs leaning conservative. But basically they are labels. **edited because my spelling was attrocious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tojo Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Azriel' date='Jan 10 2006, 11:01 AM']Ok guys, remember this is Open Mic. Lets not get into a nasty debate. Secondly, I wish there were some jobs in Michigan. Specifically in my area, where the loss of Delphi and GM are crushing us and our spirits. Welcome to Flint, ya'll! [right][snapback]851471[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Michigan always suffers heavily during economic recessions and such, people don't but new cars in the same way.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Didacus' date='Jan 10 2006, 08:25 AM']What we are starting to notice in small towns is that since people are paying more for gas and toher goods, they are spending less going to restaurants and movies nad the likes. Small restaurants and business' have been feeling a huge pinch in the last year. That is just my region, but I am certain if you ask around, the same can be observed in several places. Small business' like restaurants going under is like a canary in a bird cage warning of hard times to come; they are the first concrete signs of a coming recession. [right][snapback]851503[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yea I have to agree with you here... Higher oil prices have a 2 fold effect, one the consumer has less to spend because they're spending more at the pump, but as was alluded to earlier prices every where else go up. Nearly EVERY business has some sort of transportation cost that factor in, and with higher gas prices the business has to either bite the cost (which is less profit:. less money in their pocket) or pass the cost on to the consumer by charging higher prices. Heck my tuition had to be readjusted a bit this year because of the gas price hike last semester. School needed more money to operate its fleet of vehicles. I took 2 upper level economics courses this semester and one of the big problems that US faces is the falling dollar due to our import\export balance. As long as we supply (exports) more US dollars than we demand (imports) then the dollar has to fall in order to bring it all back to equaliberium. So the real question is how far does it have to fall... And the rest of the world knows this also, in our latest talks with China and floating their currency they brought this to the table as mega leverage. They basically say we do what we want, or we can drop all the US dollars we're holding in our banks, use Euros as our primary trading currency, and flood the market with US dollars which would be terrible for us! Whats this all mean for us? Prices go up as our dollar buys less... Its almost too much sky is falling for me, but the numbers are all there and support this theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 THe US dollar has gotten some devastating blows in the past 20 months. Japan dumped huge sums (billions and billions) in favor of the EUro when Russia announced it was making stuides and plans to start selling oil in Euro's rather than US$. Quick question: which nation produces the most oil? anwser: Russia! They surpassed Saudi Arabia as the largest oil producer in the world back in 2004. Saudi Arabia is the largest exporter of oil, but no longer the largest producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Lounge Daddy' date='Jan 10 2006, 02:32 AM']between the killer job market and the stock market low unemployment despite a year of natural disaster and an entire city flooded ... now the stock market hit pre- 9/11 highs... [url="http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=%5EDJI"]LINK[/url] how much of this will be heard on the liberal msm? [right][snapback]851406[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I have a paper reported to be more liberal than the New York Times (I think that was it) and it gave it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sojourner Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='Azriel' date='Jan 10 2006, 11:53 AM']Thanks for linking that Sojourner! I haven't spoken much about them lately. Not since PedroX had my back about them anyway. I miss him. [right][snapback]851529[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah, he's pretty busy with seminary these days. I was lucky enough to be able to see him for a few hours a couple of weeks ago. I came very close to hooking up with a DFL chapter here but ended up deciding I can't be politically active right now. I very much support them, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Didacus, you sound a whole lot like the peak oil website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Jan 10 2006, 11:39 AM']Didacus, you sound a whole lot like the peak oil website. [right][snapback]851625[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Is that an attempt at an ad hominen? There is little doubt that the manner in which humanity is advancing towards the future that our current lifestyle cannot be sustained. Oil is but a factor. I tried to find ways of tearing down the adverse effects that may be linked to 'peak oil', but as of yet I have found no sound logic to debunk it, and the empirical evidence that is spreading in the world are none too comforting. Oil is run out someday (fact). Oil running out will be a colossal and difficult change in the world power and economical distribution. (fact) Humanity will be able to undergo this change peacefully. (I strongly doubt it, what's been going on in Iraq lately?) So yes, you might consider me a peakoilist... I do not, however, suscribe to 'doomsday' theories. I think we are, as a whole, heading towards some rough times. But not towards the end of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 It was not an ad hominem attack. It's just that a whole lot of the facts you listed are cited by the peakoil.net website as signs of the coming oil crash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Didacus Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 [url="http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/OPEC_Revenues/OPEC.html"]http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/cabs/OPEC_Revenues/OPEC.html[/url] My source is the EIA, which according to that peakoil site which I strongly dislike by the way, is non-reliable. According to them the data presented is just too optimistic and thus must be political and blah blah blah. I am very suspicious of several people on that website (including those running the darn thing!) and would caution anyone venturing there about taking too much of what they say seriously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted January 10, 2006 Share Posted January 10, 2006 Yeah, they're all gloom and doom over there. They offer no real solutions on a global, national, or regional scale. They advocate a sort of 'get off the grid' approach to dealing with peak oil. Plus they're quick to denounce and smear anyone who promotes that either oil won't peak for several more decades or that there may be an abiogenic source of oil (a theory as of now). A theory can be disproved but saying that there isn't compelling evidence in its favor yet doesn't amount to disproof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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