Anna Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 So mulls, how can you respond to the many Eucharistic references in Scripture? The last supper? John 6? How can you think that Jesus didn't mean for us to eat His Flesh and drink His Blood, when He told us that if we don't, we won't have Life in Him, nor Him in us...? What about the verses we've provided that empower priests to forgive men's sins in Christ's authority? What about Christ founding a Church on Peter? And what about nothing ever being able to previal against that Church? How can you deny all of these Biblical Truths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 i can post just as many testimonies of people leaving the Catholic church as you can about people who join it. but i guess none of those people ever knew anything true about Catholocism. My main beef is that biblical truths are only biblical truths because the Church says so. It looks like I've come full circle....why read the bible when you can just read the catechism to make sure you get everything right? I think that's one of the first questions I asked here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 you don't seem to understand that the catholic church wrote, compiled and canonized the bible. no other opinion on it matters mulls. if i write a book whose opinion of what it says matters, yours or mine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 i can post just as many testimonies of people leaving the Catholic church as you can about people who join it. but i guess none of those people ever knew anything true about Catholocism. You're right to an extent. People leaving Catholicism don't necessarily no nothing about true Catholicism. However, we know for certain they don't know *something* about true Catholicism, otherwise they wouldn't leave. That "thing" that would cause them to leave, as Iron stated earlier, is one of two things. 1) they don't understand something. 2) they don't want to give up a certian sin that Catholicism forbids but a protestant sect doesn't - such as for instance same sex marriage, divorce and remarriage, masterbation, you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 mulls, It's kinda like this: You write a book all about how to play baseball. Someone else comes along and begins coaching a team. He says he's basing all his coaching on YOUR book that you wrote. But he doesn't observe any of the rules or plays you wrote about. For instance, One strike and you're out. Seventeen balls and you walk. The batter runs from home to 3rd, to 2nd, to 1st, back to home. If the pitcher catches a pop fly, it means nothing. The game may still be called baseball by some, but the author of the book knows otherwise. Pax Christi. <>< Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 My main beef is that biblical truths are only biblical truths because the Church says so. It looks like I've come full circle....why read the bible when you can just read the catechism to make sure you get everything right? I think that's one of the first questions I asked here. see, the bible is a Product of the Truth of the Church, not the other way around. the Church is Not a product of the Bible, the Catholic Church came first, then the bible came after from it....so the bible is a part of a puzzle that makes up the big picture of the Catholic Church...on the otherhand many other faiths, thats all they have is the bible, but the Catholic church has soo many more.....so when ppl ask us catholics "where is that in the bible?" it is in there! the scriptures come from the same ppl who followed Jesus from the very beginning...the bible didn't fall from the sky, it was written, guided and came together all under the Holy Mother Catholic Church, thats why the bible is here today... i hope that helps out alittle and makes sense +JMJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 My main beef is that biblical truths are only biblical truths because the Church says so. Mulls, if the Church doesn't say so, then who would? If the Bible didn't have the backing of the Church, what would distinguish it from any other book? It looks like I've come full circle....why read the bible when you can just read the catechism to make sure you get everything right? You can't really read the catechism correctly without reading the Bible. It references the Bible almost every other sentence. Does that answer your question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 mulls, It's kinda like this: You write a book all about how to play baseball. Someone else comes along and begins coaching a team. He says he's basing all his coaching on YOUR book that you wrote. But he doesn't observe any of the rules or plays you wrote about. For instance, One strike and you're out. Seventeen balls and you walk. The batter runs from home to 3rd, to 2nd, to 1st, back to home. If the pitcher catches a pop fly, it means nothing. The game may still be called baseball by some, but the author of the book knows otherwise. Pax Christi. <>< In addition, the baseball rulebook will not give you personal instruction on how to swing a bat...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mulls Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 from Hyper: "you don't seem to understand that the catholic church wrote, compiled and canonized the bible. no other opinion on it matters mulls. if i write a book whose opinion of what it says matters, yours or mine?" from littleflower: "the bible didn't fall from the sky, it was written, guided and came together all under the Holy Mother Catholic Church, thats why the bible is here today..." can God get some of that credit for the bible? anyone? sorry guys, but give praise where praise is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 (edited) You can't really read the catechism correctly without reading the Bible. It references the Bible almost every other sentence. Does that answer your question? In addition, the catechism has a cross-reference at the back for the bible. So, in your scripture studies, you can find various catechism paragraphs that will give the Catholic interpretation of a particular passage of scripture (although 1 Cor. 15:29 is not one of them ). But for those confused by 1 Cor. 15:29, I would say read the entire 15th chapter and in the context of the fact that Paul is writing to explain that the resurrection is indeed real to cast out any doubts. Apparently there were people that may have doubted the resurrection. And also read in v.29 that it was stated in the form of a question "And what about those who have themselves baptized for the dead?". Correct me if I am wrong, but perhaps Paul is just making reference to a practice not to teach us on the practice of baptizing on behalf of the dead, but to illustrate a point that the resurrection is so real that people are going to extremes for their loved ones? Thoughts??????? Edited July 23, 2003 by Norseman82 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 that's what catholic answers says Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 from Hyper: "you don't seem to understand that the catholic church wrote, compiled and canonized the bible. no other opinion on it matters mulls. if i write a book whose opinion of what it says matters, yours or mine?" from littleflower: "the bible didn't fall from the sky, it was written, guided and came together all under the Holy Mother Catholic Church, thats why the bible is here today..." can God get some of that credit for the bible? anyone? sorry guys, but give praise where praise is due. Hi Mulls, The Catechism does indeed give credit where credit is due. See paragraphs 105-108 "Inspiration and Truth of Sacred Scripture". I will give the first sentences if paragraphs 105 and 106 as a summary: 105. "God is the author of Sacred Scriptures." 106. "God inspired the human authors of the sacred books." Finally, 109. "In Sacred Scripture, God speaks to man in a human way. To interpret Scripture correctly, the reader must be attentive to what the human authors truly wanted to affirm and to what God wanted to reveal to us by their words". As we see, their is a partnership: God uses humans. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 that's what catholic answers says That scares me.....I didn't even cheat by looking it up on their website!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperdulia again Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 from Hyper: "you don't seem to understand that the catholic church wrote, compiled and canonized the bible. no other opinion on it matters mulls. if i write a book whose opinion of what it says matters, yours or mine?" from littleflower: "the bible didn't fall from the sky, it was written, guided and came together all under the Holy Mother Catholic Church, thats why the bible is here today..." can God get some of that credit for the bible? anyone? sorry guys, but give praise where praise is due. YOU have no reason to believe God had anything to do with the Bible, if you were to be intelectually and historically honest with yourself. It is the absolute summit of madness to say that the Catholic Church isn't the Church christ founded and to still say that Bible is the inerrant word of God. I stand by my statement it was written, compiled, and canonized by Catholics. What reason haave you to believe that it is authoritative? Do you think it fell from the sky? The Catholic Church is not of the Bible the Bible is of the Catholic Church. God guided Her members to write it and guided Her councils in the decision of what books go into it. Praise was given where it was do. We gave our praise to the wonderous Bride and Body of Christ who under the perpetual gguidance of the Holy Spirit produced the Bible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 Mulls, maybe you missed it. If the Bible didn't have the backing of the Church, what would distinguish it from any other book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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