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1 Corinthians 9:19-22


Extra ecclesiam nulla salus

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Guest JeffCR07

absolutely not, it is lovingly coming to the aid of our fellow man by welcoming them to the truth.

Did the father give up any of his dignity or authority by running out to meet his prodigal son while he was still a long way off?

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Extra ecclesiam nulla salus

no he didn't


what you say makes sense to me.

hmmmm and i was so sure of the sspx :lol:

I still have a lot of problems with the new church though

also how do you explain the fact that the church condemned ecumenicism for so long?

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Guest JeffCR07

trust me, like I said, I have a big traditionalist streak in me. There are many things that I would like to see changed, but I think what is important is to realize that there is no "new church" vs. an "old church" - its a false dichotamy. The Church is the Church, and the gates of Hell will never prevail against it. Do minor things need to be changed? Yes, but those have more to do with people than with the Church.

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Guest JeffCR07

Because you have to remember that "dialogue" with the first Protestants was a totally different beast than "dialogue" with (most of) the Protestants of today.

The original protestants were not simply material heretics, but also formal heretics. They knew the truth and left it behind. They were being engaged constantly by apologists and defenders of the faith, and were already in theological discussion with the Church's most prominant theologians. To engage in ecumenicism with them would not only be redundant, but it would be throwing the pearls of the Church to swine.

But todays protestants, even protestant theologians, rarely understand the Church's teachings at all, and those that do normally "understand" a bastardized version of what the Church actually says. When you consider that most are raised in a protestant environment with limited to no interaction with catholics, ecumenism (when done correctly) can play a critical role in personal conversion.

But it took a lot of time to get from one to the other.

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