infinitelord1 Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 accepting god is accepting jesus right? Why would god make us accept jesus in order to get into heaven? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkwright Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Dec 25 2005, 08:00 PM']accepting god is accepting jesus right? Why would god make us accept jesus in order to get into heaven? [right][snapback]836067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] because to accept Jesus is to accept God kinda circular, but to accept God the Father and yet reject God the Son (read Jesus) is to reject God. To truly accept God is to accept both Father and Son and Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Because it is through Jesus that we gain our salvation. Jesus is the only way. So, in order to be saved, you must accept Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Jesus is the son of God. You can't have the Father without the Son, and you can only know God the Father through God the Son. The Father is in the Son, and the Son is in the Father, and their love for one another is made manifest in the Holy Spirit, the instrument of God's love and the advocate for his people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son_of_angels Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 If you think about God as this all-powerful creature which happens to have power over heaven and hell then, you're right, it doesn't make sense. But if you see God as a Trinity, a total exchange of love, you understand that God the Father already perfectly loves the God the Son, and it is for love of Him that he made the world (through Him all things were made). Hence, it is also through loving Him that he loves us, (we were made in his image, this "image" is also specifically ascribed to Jesus "he is the image of the unseen God"). That is why we must accept Jesus, because it is through Jesus that he loves us, and through Jesus that we (by the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, the expression of the Father's love) turn our loving hearts towards our Father. If not in Him, then in who? The Father is the source of the whole divinity of the God, but the object of that Divinity is the Son. So the Son (Jesus) is the full recepient of Divine Love (the Holy Spirit). Remember the verse in 1 Jn saying that it is not that we love God, but that He loves us, and that no one can come to Him unless he is called (from the Gospels). We can try, and can indeed improve ourselves, but we CANNOT love God without Jesus to the improvement of our soul, because only in Him have we first been loved. I hope this makes sense, and that I haven't made too many theological errors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 Because God the Father is beyond our natural reach...the Father sent the Son, who is in His Image, to reveal Himself to us in Christ. Without Christ's revelation or redemption, we cannot know or love the Father properly. God doesn't "make us accept Jesus"...He gives us the gift of being able to accept Him by accepting Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lifescanticle Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Dec 25 2005, 10:00 PM']accepting god is accepting jesus right? [right][snapback]836067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Accepting God does not necessarily result in accepting Jesus. Many religions accept God yet do not recognize Jesus as God. The uniqueness of christianity is that God became man yet still was God. He gave up nothing in becoming man. [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Dec 25 2005, 10:00 PM'] Why would god make us accept jesus in order to get into heaven? [right][snapback]836067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I can not give you an adequate answer to this one. It is a tough one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 (edited) [quote name='infinitelord1' date='Dec 25 2005, 10:00 PM']accepting god is accepting jesus right? Why would god make us accept jesus in order to get into heaven? [right][snapback]836067[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Because of our fallen sinful nature, it was God in the person of Jesus who redeemed us. To deny Jesus is to deny God and his gesture of infinite love in becoming incarnate. (Much like the other guys have said, but just another way to phrase it.) Edited December 28, 2005 by Philosopher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 i dont really know what i am looking for here.....its really hard to put into words. We, chistians, designate 3 different things as being god (Jesus, the holy spirit, the father). What is the importance of recognizing all of these as the same......when they are the same. We are dealing with one thing here (an ultimate being who created everything in existence). I see jesus as the lamb of god. A body of a man (I cant think of a better way to say it) who in some sense was attached to these strings whom god controlled. Im not questioning whether or not he was god. Im wondering why god expects us to accept this man in order to achieve salvation. It seems to me that if we believe in yahweh that we accept what he said (in his man form) as being the truth (that being the importance). So this is what i have been pondering about.......because of the flaw of man god reaches us in a physical form (Jesus). God, or jesus, tells us how we should live our lives. He also serves as proof of gods existence. If we accept him and what he says......we are that much closer to the truth. If we strive to live our lives according to these truths in which jesus revealed to us....then we are showing god that we long for the complete truth, and at his mercy (because we are not perfect), he will reveal to those who are willing, the complete truth. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infinitelord1 Posted December 31, 2005 Author Share Posted December 31, 2005 reflecting on my last post another question is raised.....do protestants even understand what salvation really is? im gonna make another thread on that.......im sure its been done before but oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paphnutius Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 Because if we did not worship God as trinity, we could be said to be worshiping an idol of God, meaning something that was not God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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