Fides_et_Ratio Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 [url="http://www.biblestudyguide.org/ebooks/davidriggs/catholic-teaching-examined.PDF"]http://www.biblestudyguide.org/ebooks/davi...ng-examined.PDF[/url] ...and correct this guy's errors. I may start to do it myself if I have some extra time after I quit my job in January. This is his homepage: [url="http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/"]http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/[/url] I stumbled across the first link while looking for something entirely different (the link came from a "bible study" website) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john6:63 Posted December 23, 2005 Share Posted December 23, 2005 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Dec 23 2005, 11:31 AM'][url="http://www.biblestudyguide.org/ebooks/davidriggs/catholic-teaching-examined.PDF"]http://www.biblestudyguide.org/ebooks/davi...ng-examined.PDF[/url] ...and correct this guy's errors. I may start to do it myself if I have some extra time after I quit my job in January. This is his homepage: [url="http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/"]http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/[/url] I stumbled across the first link while looking for something entirely different (the link came from a "bible study" website) [right][snapback]834620[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That’s a joke. I was raised a fundamentalist and taught the same misconceptions. Why people don’t simply study and seek the truth instead of regurgitating the likes of David Cloud or Dave Hunt is beyond me. But then again, I once took their material on the Catholic Church as the gospel too. You shouldn’t have a problem debunking his paper, but if he responds, dig in, because he’s Church of Christ and even me, a once Fundamental Baptist was lost and doomed for an eternity in Hell according to those people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 (edited) looks like he used to be a catholic. go figure..... [url="http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/ileft.htm"]http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/ileft.htm[/url] also, here is an html version of the "catholicism examined" pdf that fides provided: [url="http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/cath-ex.htm"]http://oakridgechurch.com/riggs/cath-ex.htm[/url] note that this link also provides his email address, if anyone wishes to engage him on any of these articles. i'm tempted....... Edited December 26, 2005 by phatcatholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted December 24, 2005 Author Share Posted December 24, 2005 Where did you find his e-mail, phat?! That's why I haven't started anything yet... I couldn't find a direct e-mail to him. EDIT: saw the html link. Thanks, phat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 wow this guy is cannon fodder for any catholic apologist. Too bad there's more stuff in there than I have time for. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 24, 2005 Share Posted December 24, 2005 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Dec 24 2005, 12:53 PM']wow this guy is cannon fodder for any catholic apologist. Too bad there's more stuff in there than I have time for. lol [right][snapback]835426[/snapback][/right] [/quote] yea, for real. i might tackle a couple of them tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted December 26, 2005 Author Share Posted December 26, 2005 I think I'm starting with his "Why Catholics Oppose the Bible" thing. Seems like a good place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Dec 25 2005, 06:29 PM']I think I'm starting with his "Why Catholics Oppose the Bible" thing. Seems like a good place to start. [right][snapback]835995[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I haven't looked at the document but... just that subject. Dang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 [quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Dec 25 2005, 08:29 PM']I think I'm starting with his "Why Catholics Oppose the Bible" thing. Seems like a good place to start. [right][snapback]835995[/snapback][/right] [/quote] you can post your response here, if you like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 it's funny when he says that "eating" the body and blood of Christ happens when you hear and believe the Word of God. What part of "this is my Body" don't they understand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 25 2005, 10:03 PM']it's funny when he says that "eating" the body and blood of Christ happens when you hear and believe the Word of God. What part of "this is my Body" don't they understand? [right][snapback]836109[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I honestly think this is a mistake. Yes, there is a metaphore by which we eat the word of God. We are fed by the scriptures in the Mass. We are of course also fed by the Eucharist. I think Catholics make a mistake in the theology on the Eucharist by limiting it. It is a symbol. It is a metaphore, it is not physical (in the sense of taking a bite out of Christ's arm, the Church NEVER in all it's 2000 years of expounding on the eucharist says that it is physical) yet it is literally the body, blood, soul, and divinity as well. The mistake of protestantism is not the recognizition that the Eucharist is symbolic, it is. Nor is the metaphore of being fed by the word of God wrong. Where they err is in denying the reality of Christ in the Eucharist. Let's see the depth, breadth, and beuaty of the Catholic faith. Blessings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photosynthesis Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 well, i suppose that you can "eat" the word of God this way. But it makes more sense to me to fully eat the Word Made Flesh in the Eucharist. THe protestant idea of the eucharist is disembodied, and it almost denies the Incarnation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 thessalonian is right. we must not be afraid of the symbolic meaning of the Eucharist. so when protestants launch into their great defense of the symbolic meaning behind it, just tell them you agree. and THEN tell them why its literal. the task of the protestant is not to defend the symbolic meaning, but to reject the literal one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted December 26, 2005 Share Posted December 26, 2005 (edited) [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Dec 25 2005, 11:17 PM']well, i suppose that you can "eat" the word of God this way. But it makes more sense to me to fully eat the Word Made Flesh in the Eucharist. THe protestant idea of the eucharist is disembodied, and it almost denies the Incarnation. [right][snapback]836180[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I stongly recommend finding points of agreement first. As phat says, that will take away long tangents and potential for seeming to deny or actually denying (which I've seen many Catholics do in such debates) Catholic teachings on those issues. I have come to look for the false dichotomy in their arguements. It is not that they are always wrong. It is that they see false contradiction for instance in saying that because jesus is the head of the Church peter and the pope cannot be or because the Eucharist is symbolic, it cannot be litteral. One runs in to some problems if you take the opposite view and say that because it is literal it cannot be symbolic. Then you come accross so quotes from Augustine, Clement of Alexandria, and Tertullian and they seem to be deying the real prescence. But they did not hold that the symbolic negated literal. Catholicism is both and, not either or in 90% of the cases. Blessings Edited December 26, 2005 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted December 27, 2005 Author Share Posted December 27, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Dec 25 2005, 09:18 PM']you can post your response here, if you like [right][snapback]836020[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Will do. I often need to be double-checked for charity. I think I'm often over-bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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